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Pending rule change regarding “Paint/Pinto breeding”

The ApHC Board of Directors yesterday approved a recommendation from the Breeders Committee that deals with the question of dual-registered horses and whether they can be considered an “approved outcross” by the ApHC. A second vote will be taken as early as December. Part of the reason for a board vote was to make sure ApHC members have an opportunity to consider and respond to this particular question. Directors want to hear from you. Proposed changes to the rule language are in italics below:

Breeders Committee Motion 01-09-10

INTENT:
To clarify the meaning of “Paint or Pinto breeding” regarding ApHC registration rules.

1. Definitions
Add:
133. Paint Horse – Any horse registered with the American Paint Horse Association (APHA) or whose sire or dam are registered with the APHA regardless of its registration status with another approved outcross breed.
138. Pinto Horse – Any horse registered with the Pinto Horse Association (PtHA) or whose sire or dam are registered with the PtHA regardless of its registration status with another approved outcross breed.
Renumber as appropriate.

2. ORIGINAL RULE:
204. BLOODLINE REQUIREMENTS
To be eligible for registration with the ApHC, horses must have:
A. One parent with an ApHC registration classification of Regular (#); and
1. The other parent with one of the following ApHC registration classifications: Regular (#), N, CN, BT, B#, ID, PC, I#, IN; or
2. The other parent registered with one of the following ApHC-approved breed associations:

PROPOSED RULE CHANGE:
Add:
2. The other parent registered with one of the following ApHC-approved breed associations with the exception of horses carrying dual registration with the American Paint Horse Association and/or Pinto Horse Association:

3. ORIGINAL RULE:
205. HORSES NOT ELIGIBLE FOR REGISTRATION
B. No horse shall be registered with the ApHC that has draft, pony, Pinto, or Paint breeding.

PROPOSED RULE CHANGE:
205. HORSES NOT ELIGIBLE FOR REGISTRATION
B. No horse shall be registered with the ApHC that has draft, pony, Pinto, or Paint breeding. Pinto breeding is defined as Pinto Horse Association (PtHA) registration. Paint breeding is defined as American Paint Horse Association (APHA) registration.

4. ORIGINAL RULE:
208. APPROVED BREED LISTING
A. A one-time listing fee and a photocopy of the front and back of the Certificate of Registration is required for all stallions and mares registered with approved breed associations and being used for breeding purposes in the ApHC. Stallions must be listed prior to the filing of their Stallion Breeding Report. Mares must be listed prior to the registration of their foals in the ApHC. Failure to list a stallion or mare may result in suspension per these rules. Listing applications are available at no charge, upon request, through the ApHC.

PROPOSED RULE CHANGE:
208. APPROVED BREED LISTING
A. A one-time listing fee and a photocopy of the front and back of the Certificate of Registration is required for all stallions and mares registered with approved breed associations and being used for breeding purposes in the ApHC. Horses with dual registration with the APHA and PtHA are not eligible to be listed. Stallions must be listed prior to the filing of their Stallion Breeding Report. Mares must be listed prior to the registration of their foals in the ApHC. Failure to list a stallion or mare may result in suspension per these rules. Listing applications are available at no charge, upon request, through the ApHC.

5. PROPOSED POLICY CHANGES:
Add the following statements to the listed forms:
• Non-Appaloosa Listing Application
Approved Breed Associations
I certify that this horse is not dual registered with the American Paint Horse Association or the Pinto Horse Association.
American Quarter Horse Association, Amarillo, Texas
 Arabian Horse Association (AHA) or any World Arabian Horse Organization (WAHO) member registry (must be a purebred Arabian recorded with AHA or WAHO)
The Jockey Club (Thoroughbred) (Must be recorded with the Jockey Club).

• Stallion Breeding Report
I certify that this horse is not dual registered with the American Paint Horse Association or the Pinto Horse Association

• Breeder’s Certificate on the Registration Form:

o OWNER OF DAM AT TIME OF BREEDING:
I certify that the dam is not dual registered with the APHA or PtHA.

o OWNER OF STALLION AT TIME OF BREEDING:
I certify that the sire is not dual registered with the APHA or PtHA.

Categories: Registration

4 Comments

  1. Marilynn Feuerstein Said,

    September 23, 2010 @ 10:36 am

    205. HORSES NOT ELIGIBLE FOR REGISTRATION
    B. No horse shall be registered with the ApHC that has draft, pony, Pinto, or Paint breeding. Pinto breeding is defined as Pinto Horse Association (PtHA) registration. Paint breeding is defined as American Paint Horse Association (APHA) registration. Response: You are then ONLY looking at registered Paint or Pinto horses—the real objective is to not have the excessive or misplaced white these kinds of horses represent. Not all horses with extra white are registered with the Paint or Pinto Associations. I suggest that we stay more with the original intent, include this or a similar statement at each of 4 locations on the Registration Application, requiring signatures at each, 3 are already there: Owner of mare at time of breeding, foaling and Owner of sire at time of breeding and on the back at the bottom, after everything is filled in, one more time by the Applicant. “I certify this horse does not exhibit or represent paint or pinto breeding.” The word “breeding” includes the Breed Association, it includes the sire and dam and it includes the kind of paint or pinto characteristics we are trying to avoid. Thank you for considering this suggestion.

  2. Gail Smith Said,

    September 24, 2010 @ 7:08 am

    Is it true that this rule could be up for a 2nd vote on a teleconference? I was told it may be very different for the final vote? Why didn’t this go through the advisory committee or at the very least planning and review?
    I understnd there was another proposal that addressed the color of the outcross breeding horses rather than the papers it carries. Will that be posted so the member ship could have a choice to comment on?

  3. Steve Said,

    September 26, 2010 @ 5:22 pm

    Stay tuned. I’ll post the other option/suggestion I’m aware of.

  4. Carol A Deming Said,

    October 28, 2010 @ 11:36 am

    Steve, I have emailed the BOD and yourself directly with several documents on genetics and “white patterns” present in many breeds, which also have affected the Appaloosa horse since the beginnings of the registries in this country. I hope the BOD will not make a rule change in regard to only the issue of the Nat. Ch. Weanling Colt whose sire has AQHA, PHBA, and APHA papers…this rule change only addresses the AQHA/APHA conflict with ApHC current rules – there is no mention or any regard for TBs and Arabian horses who may also exhibit white body markings, but they do NOT have dual-registries. Laura Lyon had a very in-depth proposal that addresses all registries that may have this “excessive white” and may carry the genetics for passing it along to ApHC bred foals. The problem is that the ApHC registered horses ALREADY have and carry forward these white patterns from 60+ plus years of breeding with horses that precede any types of registration with any associations. I believe the report from the Breeder’s Committee only came as a result of this “1/2 paint colt” winning an ApHC title…not as a result of a much-needed over-haul of the “grey area” in the ApHc rules of registration and breeding. If only the whole story of the colt that has caused so much “ado” would be revealed…Thank you for listening!

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