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Question of the week (#3)

Let’s talk about the non-show segment of the ApHC membership.

Which areas of “other” activity do you see as the best opportunities for growth? Some of your choices might include polo, trail, dressage, distance, driving, endurance, ranch horse, racing, open and specialty events, etc.

And, part two, share examples or ideas from your part of the world that illustrate good ways to introduce new folks to the breed.

31 Comments

  1. Sandra Said,

    January 22, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

    I have been using one of my Appaloosa mares for Therapeutic Riding!

  2. Ted Zajac Said,

    January 23, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

    I think the ApHC should target Non-ApHC sanctioned show areas. There are many Appaloosas competing in USEF Hunters, USEF/USDF Dressage and USEA Eventing and we hear very little about their successes. Mny of these owners have very little to do with the ApHC and many at one time or another were very involved with the ApHC. An example of this is Gerry and Ginny Hoods horse winning at Devon. This would be equivalent to an App winning at the AQHA World Show and there is nothing about this in the Journal.

  3. Doyla Said,

    January 24, 2009 @ 4:50 am

    I know this is going to sound odd to a lot of Appaloosa people, but the ‘Indian Shuffle’ is one of the things that distinguished the breed at one time. I was wondering if ANY thought has ever been given to bringing this back as a competitive form for the breed. I know it would be extremely popular in this area. Perhaps an attempt to come back with them in trail and then maybe also some classes at the breed shows. I have never owned an Appaloosa that did this gait, but I have noticed over the past couple years some farms that specialize in raising them and wondered if any thought had ever been given to this side of the breed as a competitor?? jat

  4. Ann Said,

    January 24, 2009 @ 10:14 am

    I see the greatest opportunity for growth in the specialty events. They are generally well attended and have added money.

  5. Carol Lukens Said,

    January 24, 2009 @ 10:23 am

    Oregon Trail Appaloosa Club is putting a lot more thought into promoting Trail Rides and Playdays with benefits from donated Items going to a local Charity. We have also implemented the Queen and Princess program to attrach more youth. They have appeared on local TV and parades. Our First Breed Show in August will be a combination Open Show and advertising with free admission tickets to the public inviting them to come watch the gaming and Heritage events as we think these are what the general public will find enjoyable. We will have Breed and Open lead line classes with all youth winning something and one lucky kid could win a trip to disney land.
    Plus this year we are raffling off a futurity winning filly and selling tickets all year long at 4 H Events and other places where families attend.

    We are promoting and preserving the appaloosa.

  6. Cheryl Palmer Said,

    January 24, 2009 @ 10:50 am

    I think the ApHC needs to expand their coverage into the recognition of many styles and types of Appaloosas not just the Quarter type Appaloosa. As you know our breed started out as a mixed breed in 1938 and we were allowed to breed our Appaloosas to many different breeds. That’s where most of the shuffle gait came from.

    We need more educational articles in the Appaloosa Journal about the history and different types of Appaloosas and not just about the Show Appaloosa as most people aren’t that interested in show horses.

    By educating people about the different variety, styles and versatility of our Appaloosas it’s going to dispell a lot of myth and romance about our breed and bring in more of the true history and genetics, and how our breed has evolved.

    To me there is too much emphasis on shows. We need to find other sources of revenue by appealing to a broader audience and bringing in more members.

    Here are some of my ideas. Put on demonstrations between shows (maybe during the intermission time) showing unusually talented Appaloosas. Some Indian Shufflers could be displayed. There is a huge demand for shuffler type horses, aka Gaited Appaloosas. And the demand can’t even be met. The public isn’t aware that there is such a thing as a gaited Appaloosa. We could have gaited classes and costume classes. Could have a class that judges the smoothest moving Appaloosa. Have contestants hold a glass of water and see who spills the least.

    Just some thoughts.

  7. Paula Brammer Said,

    January 24, 2009 @ 1:16 pm

    I find the ApHC sponsored,weekend, trail ride that is open to all breeds allows for a welcoming and enjoyable atmosphere that all ways brings in new and varied participants. The non-appaloosa participants have an opportunity to see for themselves the beauty and strengths of the Appaloosa breed plus hear the stories and equine benefits of partcipating in the Chief Joseph ride. This is a ride that is affordable for more people. I wish the Appaloosa Club would sponsor more of these small weekend rides in different locations throughout the country. P

  8. Jacobs Said,

    January 24, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

    I want to thank the BOD for asking the questions and listening to the answers given. I commend you, as I believe that is one area for growth within the ApHC that really would be beneficial to the club as a whole. We see so many nice Appaloosa being show and used, but they will not show in the ApHC breed shows or join the club. Tell me what is their benefits to join the club? Why would they do it? Would it be worth much? Look at that. These are new people that benefit all breeders/trainers within the ApHC.

    Sadly, this sector (one/small time horse owners) of the ApHC lovers is pretty much non-existant, not educated (either because they don’t know or aren’t willing to put the time into it), or simply too busy in thier life. I would like the DOB to seek these people out (in person or through others), through the regional clubs and maybe get thier input. The horse world is small and it really wouldn’t be that hard, IMO. Time and leg work yes….and I know that it’s effort too. But, it might be worth it? IMO, all of us should do our part in the growth in the Appaloosa.

    Have regional member so seek out the 4-H office, local Pony Clubs, bigger open show/dressage/reining offices, seek out those that contribute and get thier ideas and opinions on their needs within the ApHC.

    All people like to see thier name in writing and get recognition for thier gallant efforts. Maybe the Journal could, every month, have an article or ? with pictures and such about some incredible Appaloosa or owners or ? and how they contribute to the knowledge/love of the Appaloosa. A true “nobody” kind of (to me there is not such a thing..just and example)! Heartwarming, personal stories that feel good and make the person that owns that horse feel important. I’m not really talking about someone that has shown and done great…..maybe someone who’s old ApHC horse has taught many kids to love the ApHC….even though he’s not the “best looking horse on the block”. Acknowledgment of human and horse……that something all people would appreciate.

    I believe that these are the horse that are doing the true marketing for the Appaloosa. When my colored Appaloosa stand in a class of 20+ (mostly AQHA and APHA) and is first place……or when a great horses is used for lessons and teaches many young kids…or one, to love the ApHC….IMO, that is every bit as important to the ApHC club as a World Champion. Many see the “no name” horse outside the club and that……should get some recognition to.

    I firmly believe that my daughter and I do more for promoting the Appaloosa out in the local 4-H and Open show sector, then most breeders/trainers do with advertising (no matter were it is). We know that there are many like us. Tell those stories in the Journal and maybe give regional award (or just the regional clubs can) to those that may not be in the national and regional club?

    Ask member’s to get involved and find these people and stories. Award members for getting involved? The horse world is not that big. It’s not that hard. All Appaloosa lovers can be a part of this and help bring in new people.

    My daughter get’s so embarrassed when I see a Appaloosa that I know the owner has no clue what ACAAP is. She looks at me and just walks away shaking her head. I think this program is incredible and am amazed how many people don’t know or use it in the small/one horse owner. Do more advertising on the ACAAP program in the open sector.

    I want to say “Thank you” as that we are seeing great coverage in the “free” magazines abou thte ApHC and I think that’s great! Advertising works. Just touch base on the ACAAP program more too! tempt them to call and find out more about it!

    Thank you again for listening.

  9. Tom Hodges Said,

    January 24, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

    I believe the most pressing item we need to address is acquiring corporate sponsors. If I recall correctly, the ApHC did have a full time person calling on businesses. If the ApHC were to hire a qualified person to call on corporate America and base his or her salary on a percentage bases, what could the ApHC lose. In these economic times, there must be qualified individuals with business experience that would be willing to accept this position. With more sponsors, the Appaloosa would have more visiblity and create renewed interest. This would hopefully lead to additional membership and opportunities for the Appaloosa Horse.

  10. Darlene Said,

    January 24, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

    The west coast is seeing a greater number of Extreme Trail Challenges which is also even being aired on national tv. ETCs are a great avenue to display not only the natural aptitude of the Appaloosa but the true versatility that the Nez Perce highly valued. ApHC should embarce and support more active participation by Appaloosas in these events.

    Exhibitors competing in other events should be given special national recognation. Perhaps some type of monetary consideration could be given to those horses who have had the best achievements in their chosen fields (i.e. dressage, polo, open endurance) any field where Appaloosas compete against other breeds. ApHC has already implemented the $50K incentive to appaloosa owners competing in large specialty pleasure classes from my understanding, why can’t something like that be done in other areas? Having Appaloosas stand out and shine among open breed events certainly goes far in promoting the breed.

    Part two of your question is in one sense more riskier, however, my theory is that people in general have a competitive streak inside of them, the need to be the best. This is why more people attend open shows rather than breed shows because open shows in general have more entries. However, if breed specific clubs were to hold breed specific events even on a small level (i.e. poker rides, extreme trail challenges, shows or even gymkhanas) and limited them only to Appaloosas and these events are highly publicized locally, it could create a situation where people would be wanting to purchase Appaloosas to be part of these events especially if the incentives were right, very nice prizes or even monetary prizes of some sort. This would create a bigger outlet for struggling breeders as well. The idea is radical to say the least but worth taking the chance with. Clubs should expect participation to be low to begin with until the concept takes place. Done right, it wouldn’t be that expensive either.

  11. Del Blackburn Said,

    January 25, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

    Last July went went to an open show in Princeton, Idaho, The classes were much larger than the classes at the National ApHC show. There were only three appy horses showing at this open show. We need to do more to sell the ACAAP program. We had had lots of people shocked to see the quality of our horses (Alias King, Sir Wrangler, Zippo Pine Bar breeding). We could have sold both of our show horses that weekend. This is where we need to get quality appy horses showing.

  12. Debbie Said,

    January 26, 2009 @ 11:26 am

    I’ve done competitive trail on my one app in the past – he was a show ring horse that went outside the ApHC ring because the judges didn’t like his “rat” tail – funny – that was the only place we had that problem – he ended up in the top 3 in his region the one year in NATRC and excelled in shows & events includng trail trials where most of the time he was the only appaloosa competing….. and he stood out – I have also shown 2 of my COLORED horses ACAAP (as well as breed shows and one is an ApHC superior halter horse and has placed @ the worlds) – mostly halter – when an colored appaloosa can go out there & win classes of 15-20 agains mostly paints & QHs, under all types of breed judges – you get noticed and a lot of people saying wow – i didn’t know an appaloosa could look like that – we get more credit from those we compete against then we do support from our breed club we are supporting……… ask how many out here showing open what most breed show people say about the open & ACAAP horses – they only show there because they can’t compete @ the breed shows…….. – like many responding here have said – there are a lot of Appaloosa owners out there showing open and doing other things besides the show ring and not getting noticed

  13. Kathy Coviello Said,

    January 27, 2009 @ 9:29 am

    Greetings!!!
    I actually wrote a rather detailed follow up email to my director (Tracy Meisenbach) on this (after a phone conversation) recently, explaining why I was NOT renewing my membership for the first time in 20 plus years. The posts above pretty much reflect my frustrations.

    For now I am choosing to sink that $65 into my local clubs, who truly are much more relevant to me and my horse. Should we decide to show (open shows only, no ApHC shows) we may consider renewing and doing ACAAP, but honestly the return on investment is a bad risk, if you think about it. We spent thousands of dollars last year showing at USDF recognized dressage shows. We ended up 5th in All Breeds – and received nothing. We ended up top 10 in ACAAP- and may possibly receive a certificate/paper. I am not selling my horse, so “establishing a record with the breed club” has no value for me. The trail rides that are in my area sponsored by the ApHC are too long for my aged gelding and my office worker body.

    In the meanwhile, the regional club to which I belong holds trail rides and lets me log my saddle hours with a chance at an award. We have gone over 2000 hrs with ApHC so there is really nothing else for us there (I doubt I will get another 1000 hrs in on my horse).

    Bottom Line Up Front: Really, you need to convince me why I should send my club dues to your organization as opposed to other options that I have that offer me much more.

    Thanks for listening,

    Kathy sends

  14. A.D. Said,

    January 27, 2009 @ 9:41 am

    I have used my ApHC gelding for dressage for years. He’s done surprisingly well despite not having “correct” conformation for my discipline of choice. We also enjoyed doing three-day eventing in years past along with lots of trail riding. He’s a great horse and a great equine friend.

  15. Sandra Marrujo Said,

    January 27, 2009 @ 11:34 am

    Reaching NON-SHOW people?!?!?! What? Breed shows are the only “showing?” You mean the fact that I have shown my Appies as eventers through Intermediate level, dressage through 2nd/schooling 3rd, and competitive trail rides means I do not SHOW? ROFLOL. I did the breed show circuit for a while some years back (two horses ago) and won a circuit championship on my semi-retired 19 year old horse without ever having to jump off. Lotta competition there (not), at least back then (circa 1990). I don’t know that that has changed: When I look at World and National Show results, I note entries of up to 45 horses in “Hunter Under Saddle,” but usually from 5 to 13 horses in the actual HUNTER classes where they have to jump. Ditto for jumpers – only even smaller numbers of entries. A hunter that actually JUMPS? Apparently rare in the ApHC world. I think the BOD is totally out of touch with anyone who doesn’t own/show a “Quarterloosa.” What benefit would there be to me to go to a breed show? The judging in the English division is still waaaaaay below the open show standard.

    I took one App I owned to a breed show just for fun, and that horse, who had won in open shows against WBs and TBs was almost totally ignored in English classes by ApHC judges. But he won all his jumper classes. I never bothered to go back. I think my horses are probably a good advertisement for what one can do with Appies without ever going near a breed show – and most people who find my horse the type of horse they like wouldn’t buy an Appaloosa to show in breed shows. They are surprised and delighted to learn that an Appaloosa doesn’t have to be a Quarterloosa WP horse, but CAN be a dressage horse (real showing!), a jumper (real showing!), an eventer (real athleticism and showing), and never go near the breed circuit. Reining may be in the WEG (but not the Olympics), but that is a recent development. WP will never be in the Olympics. Are the horses in the Olympics not SHOW horses (Only App I know of was the NZ Eventer, Broadcast News)? One person I know with a lovely sport-horse type Appy (and Foundation bred, at that), won at a sport horse show, and the person placing 2nd to her swore up and down that her horse could not possibly be an Appaloosa -It HAD to be a Knabstrupper (European spotted breed), because a mere APPALOOSA couldn’t look that good/move that well and place above her WB. That is the Appaloosa’s reputation thanks to ApHC: Pretty QH with spots (or “ugly” if “Foundation” – not my opinion, but things I’ve heard people say) not useful for english disciplines.

    The western type of Appaloosa that ApHC seems to primarily promote is not of much interest to the open (English) show world. I cannot speak to the subject of people who enjoy the open western divisions riding Apps. I know that a couple of Apps have won or placed well in the Reno Snaffle Bit Futurity. If those are the people you want to reach, you may have something to offer them, but since that is not my discipline, I’m afraid I don’t have much in the way of suggestions to offer. However, for the “english” divisions, ApHC does not address ANY of my needs. Frankly, the only reason I even belong to ApHC is in order to compete for USDF All Breeds awards. If it were not required, I would not belong. My present horse is a 16.2 h.h. Araloosa. The AHA offers dressage classes and dressage shows for Arabians and half-Arabians. In other words: AHA offers me much more than ApHC. Heck, ApHC even dropped “dressage suitability” – not that it was being judged correctly most of the time, but at least it was there.

    I do not mean by this to insult people who compete and do well on the Appaloosa circuit. If that is your choice and you do well, good for you. But I think they do not realize but SHOULD realize that, with a few exception, they are “competing in a bubble” and while what and how they show may relate well to the Paint/QH worlds, as far as open “english” riders are concerned, Appaloosas and ApHC are for the most part irrelevant. Those of us who show Apps and do well in dressage, eventing, hunter/jumper, etc. are constantly defending ourselves against the image that most people have from the Journal (emulating the Quarter Horse Journal? As far as I’m concerned, it should still be the Appaloosa News, but since most of the horses are Quarterloosas, I suppose “Journal” is as as good a name as any.) My own vet, an Intermediate level eventer, when told I had purchased ANOTHER Appaloosa (for dressage), rolled her eyes. WHY would I do that with all the lovely WB and WB/TBs out there, the RIGHT kind of horses for the discipline? THAT is the image most people STILL have of Appaloosas – and why not, when they look at the Journal?

    Sorry for the rant, but I really do think ApHC is out of touch with the open show world and what it would take to attract more interest in Appies, at least among riders in the classic english divisions. ACAAP is the only program you offer to them, and I thank you for it, but that is, indeed, about all.

  16. Catherine Said,

    January 27, 2009 @ 12:43 pm

    My family and my extended family are some of the ‘non-showing’ appaloosa owners you are looking for. We have owned registered appaloosas for two decades. They are wonderful horses. My brother has joined the club with his own registered mare, as well.

    However, for our purposes, the club has zero relevance in our lives. My Plaudit-bred gelding was so loud that we were flat-out told never to show him again because it wouldn’t be fair to show him and not pin because of his coloring. From what I have seen at the Regional shows and in the Journal, things have not changed.The chestnut gelding was out of racing lines, so there was no showing there. My brother only registered his mare for breeding purposes, as she is foundation-bred. We are all very serious trail riders, and have no need for meaningless awards to tell us how great a time we had with our on the trails.

    What I think is needed here is something the club cannot afford to do: put aside the myopic focus on catering to the big, quarter horse-style appaloosa breeders whose fees and advertising allow the club and the Journal to survive, and give decent coverage to owners whose horses participate in all of the ‘non-show’ activities you have listed above.
    The fact that you have listed some of those disciplines as such clearly indicates that you have no intention of changing this myopic focus and are just looking to more people to open their wallets to help you survive, in exchange for no effort on your part.

    My ApHC registered apps are now deceased, and I have purchased an Appaloosa Sport Horse. He will never be registered with your club. There is simply nothing for him there.

  17. Ben Hemken Said,

    January 27, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

    In our particular area youth rodeo and trail seem to be the best opportunities for growth. I have been following Illinois High
    School Rodeo and there has been a significant visible increase in participants riding appaloosas. This is just not recognized by the ApHC. Trail rides seem to be the second most popular event and horses of all types seem wanted as long as they are broke enough for children or 50 something adults.

    I think maybe awarding or at least acknowledging rodeo & trail ride participants would be a good way to stimulate more interest among these groups.

    Maybe spotlighting participants outside of the regular ApHC events in our magazine would create some incentive to participate in ApHC events.

  18. Ann Said,

    January 28, 2009 @ 12:16 pm

    I’d like to see more classes opened to hardship registered Appys.
    I’d like to see more broomstick tails and less fake tails!

  19. Charity Said,

    January 28, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

    Just following up on what Sandra said, she made good points about Appaloosas on the Open hunter circuit or dressage and eventing. I agree many open hunter riders with Apps don’t show ApHC because they feel the hunter juging is wrong but they need to understand that ApHC Hunter Under Saddle is different, no better, no worse just different than what is required in the HUS classes on the open H/J circuit. Maybe a better way to recruit these open H/J riders with Apps to show ApHC is to make the hunter classes into divisions like the open H/J shows at the majors like worlds/nationals. By this I mean, 2 over fences and a hunter under saddle class judged as a “rated hunter” per division and offering a pre-gree, green, working and amateur hunter. This might attract them to the ApHC shows if they can ride a hunter under saddle class that is their style. I ride both the “quarter horse style” hunter under saddle and hunters on the rated circuit and I know that each has a different style of HUS and I adapt my horse and riding to it. It bugs me when people think one is better than the other…they aren’t they are just different. So if these open hunter riders with Apps want to show ApHC HUS then they need to ride according. However I feel it would be a great benefit and incentive to offer classes that they can show their horses in a way they are used to and offering the hunter divisions with a “hunter” type HUS would be a great way to entice them!

  20. Angela Sondenaa Said,

    January 28, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

    I think the ApHC should expand and improve their existing ACAAP program to reward people who attend local shows and events. Many ApHC members don’t have the time, money, or interest to participate in breed shows but still enjoy competition. The first thing that needs to happen is to add prizes for year-end ACAAP event leaders. I currently participate in the American Paint Horse Association PAC program (just like ACAAP)and won a beautiful Geist silver belt buckle for being the PAC leader in Eventing for 2007. If all ACAAP has to offer is a certificate at the end of the year I don’t see what the incentive is to participate. I currently own a 4 yr old Appaloosa/Thoroughbred gelding (registered ApHC) that I intend to event and ride dressage on. The ACAAP is really the only place for such a sport horse type Appaloosa to participate but unless there’s a good reason to pay the fees and fill out the paperwork I probably won’t do it.

    I also think ApHC should develop their trail riding programs. Many Appaloosa owners are pleasure riders so providing opportunities to attend trail rides in beautiful areas might be appealing. This is also a great venue for kids who are the future of the ApHC. You might also consider using such events as fund raisers for reputable equine rescue groups. You can promote the breed and help deal with the unwanted horse issue at the same time — a worthy cause many of us would spend money to support.

  21. Lisa Said,

    January 28, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

    What? I thought all classes ARE open to hardship horses. That’s the point in hardshipping them…to get papers in order to show. (ie Geldings or spayed mares) Suitability for Dressage was not dropped. Name changed to Hunter In Hand. And I would like to ask – what would be suitable “creditfor success” in showing open shows? Monetary awards? Article in Journal? I don’t really know the answer to this for sure, but, how does the club know that you even need recognition if no one tells the club? I won the high point adult award for the year at an open show circuit riding 2 colored appaloosas that I bred and raised. I have also shown these 2 horses successfully at ApHC shows – including placing at Worlds. The Club knows nothing of my open show awards because I haven’t told them. Why? I guess I was busy and just didn’t get around to it. But, how can I be upset that the ApHC didn’t recognize me for it? I could have signed up for AACAP, but, didn’t do that either. It’s too much paper work for me, so, I just choose to NOT participate in that. But, how is that the club’s fault? I think #2 and #4 above are good ideas.

  22. Amanda Trickett Said,

    January 29, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

    As an active dressage rider and show particpant, and the proud owner of a foundation-bred appaloosa, I take exception to being described as “non-show.”

    I’ve not renewed my membership this year. I’d already decided that I’m apparently irrelevant to the ApHC, and, looking through the Journal, they certainly aren’t promoting horses that would be useful in my discipline of choice. (Though looking at the pictures from times gone by, they used to.)

  23. Talea Said,

    January 29, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

    Extreme Trail and Ranch Trail competitions, local open shows, horse expos, and informal trail rides are great ways I’ve found to promote the growth of the breed. I also think there are many people who compete in speed events on Appaloosas but don’t participate in the ApHC or any of the regional club events.

    My Appaloosas excell in Extreme Trail and Ranch Trail competitions and I have found little to no bias against them there. Many times, I’m the only one on a colored Appaloosa and I get lots of attention because of it. I use it as an opportunity to showcase the breed, talk to people, and give them an overall good impression. I find that my Appaloosas are worth much more in the Extreme Trail avenue than if I were to try to sell them as an ApHC show horse or show prospect. I’ve been offered more for my teenaged gelding at trail challenges than I see pretty and talented multiple ApHC world champions advertised for. Therefore, I think the Extreme Trail and Ranch Trail competitions are an excellent niche market as well as a great way to reach out to people who haven’t seen an Appaloosa in action before.

    I also find that local open shows are a good way to introduce people to the breed. I’m not a “show” person but when I can go to an open show and ride all day for $30-50, sign me up! Beyond it being a great training experience, the more inexpensive shows are a great way to get to know people and share information about the Appaloosa. Just having a well mannered Appaloosa standing at the in-gate is good advertisement!

    Horse Expos are always fun places to check out different breeds and I have all sorts of people including those who have never even owned a horse looking at my Appaloosas at them. Most people won’t ever go to a breed show to look at horses but they will go to an expo. It is place where people seek out information about breeds and disciplines they’ve never been exposed to. I was quite disappointed when I went to the Northwest Horse Expo in Albany, OR in March of 2008 and the Appaloosa breed was not represented in the barns! There was everything from mini horses to Fresians and even POA’s but no Appaloosa club or breeder! Many of us had traveled over 1,000 miles to be there and it was a disservice to the breed to not have a proper representation. An Appaloosa carrying a flag in the opening ceremonies and my own stallion competing in the Craig Cameron Extreme Cowboy Race were the only ones I saw on the grounds.

    I usually go for an all day trail ride once a week with friends. We pick a likely looking mountain or trail head, pack lunches and head out. We started with just a pair and have grown to almost ten with usually four or five of us on any given ride at a time. We meet new people when one of us brings a friend and there is a lot of fun and comraderie. Several of us ride Appaloosas and the non-Appaloosa riders have become exposed to the many good points of the breed. I feel we sell the breed with every ride among ourselves as well as to anyone we happily tell our riding stories to. I think getting out and enjoying your Appaloosa is one of the best things you can do to help the breed.

    I think that there are a lot of people who game on their Appaloosas who have never been to an ApHC show. The expensive entry fees compared to the fact that there is no payout and a lack of contestants when you game at an ApHC show will continue to keep those people away. One way I can think of to get some of those people to go to a show would be to have open jackpot classes in addition to the breed classes. Another way is information. Most people I know locally who own Appaloosa have never even transferred the horse into their name, they don’t know anything about the ApHC programs or shows, and they have no interest in traveling to a show. For those with colored unpapered horses, a low registration fee for the geldings would encourage them to apply for papers. If there was a way to get information to them such as by advertising in more local publications like Horse Previews or even The Exchange want ads, we might see some of them showing up to ApHC events.

    In summary, I think that by going out and enjoying our Appaloosas, especially in public, we are promoting the breed. We can talk until we’re blue in the face about how great Appaloosas are but if we just go out and show people, there’s no need for words. There’s room for Appaloosas at the top of most all events and if we participate on a quality level, we can be there. And look good doing it!

  24. Lynn Said,

    January 29, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

    I agree with Sandra’s remarks regarding Hunters. Those showing Appaloosas in the open Hunter world cannot get placed at ApHC shows… and they are certainly not going to change how they ride/show their horses in order to get a ribbon at an ApHC show. Their horses are MUCH more valuable being shown as open Hunters.

    The Appaloosas winning on the flat classes at the Open H/J shows against really, really nice WB and TB Hunters are so talented and so totally ignored in ApHC HUS classes that they don’t show ApHC. There are LOTS of Appaloosas on the open H/J circuit that we will never see at our breed shows. And remember, I said these horses are worth lots of money! Would not it be nice to have this type of horse in the ApHC and a market for breeders/trainers into that higher-priced market? Yes, of course, but it will take some serious changes regarding how Hunters are shown (i.e. collected, in the bridle, NO drapey reins, good movement, and HUS horses that actually jump) and, therefore, changes in how the classes are judged.

  25. Sandra Marrujo Said,

    February 3, 2009 @ 9:28 am

    One should note that in a recognized USEF Hunter/Jumper show, a competitor cannot show in HUS unless they also show in at least one class over fences in their division (Pre-Green/Green/1st Year etc.). That would be an interesting requirement at breed shows. I think they’d have a lot fewer entries in HUS, to judge by World and National show entries. LOL

  26. Sandra Marrujo Said,

    February 3, 2009 @ 9:30 am

    Lisa – HUNTER and DRESSAGE movement are NOT the same and should be judged differently. Hunter in Hand is NOT the same as Dressage Suitability. Not that ApHC judges even judge Hunter in Hand correctly, so the differnce is moot.

  27. Sandra Marrujo Said,

    February 3, 2009 @ 11:41 am

    Oh…by the way, for those who say that HUS at a breed show isn’t “incorrect,” just “different,” I say, YES IT IS INCORRECT. However, the whole problem can be easily solved: STOP CALLING IT “HUNTER UNDER SADDLE.” Call it “Hunt Seat Pleasure” and you can ride ’em whatever way you want and no one will care/criticize. They’re just pleasure horses, ridden hunt seat. Since most breed show horses seemd to go the same whether WP or HUS – calling it Hunt Seat Pleasure would probably make everyone happy. Just don’t say they are “hunters” because they are NOT – not as presented in breed shows.

  28. Lisa Said,

    February 3, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

    Ok – Sandra, I don’t who or what made you so angry at the ApHC…but, I never said that HUNTER and DRESSAGE movement are the same now did I? I simply stated that the class is still there, they just changed the name (many years ago). You seemed upset that it was taken away, but, it wasn’t. I personally feel that all of this ranting on line is counter productive. Since there obviously is interest in USEF/Hunter and Dressage shows and you obviously are the one in the know, why not do something about it instead of pointing out that it doesn’t exist in ApHC? I challenge you to get an ApHC sanctioned Hunter show or Dressage show approved and put it on. I will be the first spectator there and I will bring friends to cheer you on. I also will volunteer to help the day of the show.

  29. Sandra Marrujo Said,

    February 5, 2009 @ 10:42 am

    “The class is still there, they just changed the name.”

    No, Lisa, the class is NOT still there. It is now HUNTER in hand, not DRESSAGE suitability, and HUNTER and DRESSAGE horses are judged differently in terms of their movement, ergo the “dressage” class no longer exists.

    I have to PUT ON MY OWN SHOW in order to get Appaloosa hunters of dressage horses judged correctly by ApHC? ROFLOL I doubt that Morgan riders or Arabian riders had to actually PUT ON A SHOW THEMSELVES in order to get their horses judged correctly. They just got enough people to suggest INTEREST and support for dressage and the AMHA (I think that’s their acroynm) and AHA put on dressage shows sanctioned by their respective associations. The Arabian people even now have a completely separate Sport Horse Nationals for the dressage, hunter and CDE people in their breed association.

    Just proves how little ApHC cares about people who do not fit into their little Quarterloosa/breed show HUS niche.

  30. Sandra Marrujo Said,

    February 5, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

    Lisa, if I sound angry or ranting, please bear in mind that I am 63 years old, having been showing H/J, eventing or dressage since my teens and have owned Appaloosa since 1979 – 30 years – and I’ve addressed these issues to ApHC SINCE 1979 in letters, comments to ApHC club officials and show managements, to no avail. They are set in stone with the Quarterloosa/”our HUS is not the same” c**p and are only interested in placating those who buy into “Let’s turn our horses into spotted (or not!) Quarter Hores, use QH judges and be JUST LIKE AQHA.” You BET I’m RANTING and bitter.

    Back around 2000, I worked at the Equitana horse expo in Lexington and I had to GIVE a tape of my eventer and another of my dressage horse for them to show at the ApHC booth. They had NOTHING with regard to Appaloosa showing open in the REAL world of H/J, eventing or dressage. Everyone who saw those tapes basically said, “Wow! I didn’t know Appies could do that like TBs and WBS….I thought they were just colored QH types.” Believe me, the ApHC official didn’t like that one bit. Most people I run into at open horse shows STILL think that Appies are either colored QH, or ugly rent horse types – and ApHC does nothing to disabuse them of that notion.

  31. Sandra Marrujo Said,

    February 5, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

    Whoops! sorry about that “hores” typo. ROFLOL

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