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		<link>http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/28/unwanted-horses-flooding-shelters/#comment-32470</link>
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		<title>By: Taryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane, do you KNOW how they kill horses in Mexican slaughter houses?  They use a knife, go in behind the withers and sever the spinal cord.  They don't always get it right on the first or even second try.  Then when they get around to it, they slit their throat and bleed them out.  Maybe you should take a trip to Mexico and watch.  Do you think that is a suitable end for a horse who has given his life in service to humans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane, do you KNOW how they kill horses in Mexican slaughter houses?  They use a knife, go in behind the withers and sever the spinal cord.  They don&#8217;t always get it right on the first or even second try.  Then when they get around to it, they slit their throat and bleed them out.  Maybe you should take a trip to Mexico and watch.  Do you think that is a suitable end for a horse who has given his life in service to humans?</p>
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		<title>By: vicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane, again, read the bill. The bill is not meant to make it easier to sell horses for slaughter, it is meant to totally stop slaughter by banning the transport of horses going to slaughter for any purpose. Two posters have explained the language and what it means to those showing or selling a horse for purposes other than slaughter. If your concern is foreigers not being able to get their greedy hands on our horses for slaughter, then yes, the bill is meat to dry up that market and we welcome them going elsewhere. We are looking forward to the day that American horses are not on their plates.If they want to eat horses, they can butcher and eat their own.

I'm not sure what you're point is with Ferdinand but the kill houses are not going to pay what was paid for Ferdinand nor are they going to pay for health papers, coggins or import taxes for slaughter bound horses - all something they don't pay for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane, again, read the bill. The bill is not meant to make it easier to sell horses for slaughter, it is meant to totally stop slaughter by banning the transport of horses going to slaughter for any purpose. Two posters have explained the language and what it means to those showing or selling a horse for purposes other than slaughter. If your concern is foreigers not being able to get their greedy hands on our horses for slaughter, then yes, the bill is meat to dry up that market and we welcome them going elsewhere. We are looking forward to the day that American horses are not on their plates.If they want to eat horses, they can butcher and eat their own.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re point is with Ferdinand but the kill houses are not going to pay what was paid for Ferdinand nor are they going to pay for health papers, coggins or import taxes for slaughter bound horses - all something they don&#8217;t pay for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ferdinand, the Kentucky Derby winner, ended up in a slaughter house in Japan--he was not sold to there for the meat market.  Being overseas, I am not unfamiliar with the hoopla surrounding exporting a horse as it stands now.  The bill does not make a distinction to make life easier for people selling horses for slaughter vs. non-slaughter.  So, either there will be many easy ways around it, thereby defeating the purpose of the bill and rendering ineffectual, or it will be so difficult for foreigners to import a horse that they will go seeking elsewhere, drying up the foreign market in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferdinand, the Kentucky Derby winner, ended up in a slaughter house in Japan&#8211;he was not sold to there for the meat market.  Being overseas, I am not unfamiliar with the hoopla surrounding exporting a horse as it stands now.  The bill does not make a distinction to make life easier for people selling horses for slaughter vs. non-slaughter.  So, either there will be many easy ways around it, thereby defeating the purpose of the bill and rendering ineffectual, or it will be so difficult for foreigners to import a horse that they will go seeking elsewhere, drying up the foreign market in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Elle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 19:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane E,

This bill does NOT prohibit the shipping of horses within the United States. It prohibits the shipment of horses outside the United states via land, sea or air to have them slaughtered. Legitimate owners who would like to sell a horse in Canada, for example, will present their bill of sale at the border and that sellee will meet them there. A 60K Dressage horse is clearly not going to Canada for slaughter.

You have misread the bill. The Horse Protection Act of 1971 should have been amended to prohibit mass shipments of all equids (Latin for the genus of horses and their cousins) across the border for slaughter. Again, it is highly unlikely that anyone would want to go to Mexico with their privately owned horses because there aren't any horse sports there of major importance. Canada is different. They participate in 3 day eventing, jumping, racing, and Dressage. The killers will be immediately suspect since the people at the borders know who they are and will not allow them to cross the border.

Get your facts straight or lean how to read a bill. Horse slaughter is already illegal, as Vicki has said, by virtue of the Humane Slaughter Act of 1958 which has been amended twice; in 1978 and 2002 and President Bush signed it in 2002.

There is simply NO method of slaughter that complies with the federal statute. None. Congress has been aiding and abetting a crime and that is a fact.

Elle
http://www.manesandtailsorganization.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane E,</p>
<p>This bill does NOT prohibit the shipping of horses within the United States. It prohibits the shipment of horses outside the United states via land, sea or air to have them slaughtered. Legitimate owners who would like to sell a horse in Canada, for example, will present their bill of sale at the border and that sellee will meet them there. A 60K Dressage horse is clearly not going to Canada for slaughter.</p>
<p>You have misread the bill. The Horse Protection Act of 1971 should have been amended to prohibit mass shipments of all equids (Latin for the genus of horses and their cousins) across the border for slaughter. Again, it is highly unlikely that anyone would want to go to Mexico with their privately owned horses because there aren&#8217;t any horse sports there of major importance. Canada is different. They participate in 3 day eventing, jumping, racing, and Dressage. The killers will be immediately suspect since the people at the borders know who they are and will not allow them to cross the border.</p>
<p>Get your facts straight or lean how to read a bill. Horse slaughter is already illegal, as Vicki has said, by virtue of the Humane Slaughter Act of 1958 which has been amended twice; in 1978 and 2002 and President Bush signed it in 2002.</p>
<p>There is simply NO method of slaughter that complies with the federal statute. None. Congress has been aiding and abetting a crime and that is a fact.</p>
<p>Elle<br />
<a href="http://www.manesandtailsorganization.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.manesandtailsorganization.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: vicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane E, yes I have read the bill and have gone to Washington DC to lobby for its passage. It clearly calls out horses going to slaughter. If you are referring to the “other purposes” it means a horse cannot be transferred to slaughter for other purposes. In laymen’s terms, you cannot transport a horse to slaughter for any purpose. The pro folks like to use that as one of their scare tactics. If they would seek legal counsel to understand what the language means, they would realize how ridiculous that argument is. The AQHA tried that and was immediately corrected by Senator Landrieu’s office. As far as stopping owners from transporting their horses for show or sale, this bill will not impact them. Do you know anyone that shows horses that packs them into a double decker with 50 horses? If someone is selling their horse outside of the US, paperwork is required. Expensive paperwork. You must have health certificates and coggins. If they’re being sold to someone if Mexico, they must pay an import tax. All of these documents are traceable and are not required for slaughter horses – nor does the import tax apply. The owner would have a bill of sale that would cover them. Nobody is going to go to that expense to send a horse to slaughter. I would suggest YOU read the bill and understand what language means instead of repeating the pro dribble that is totally inaccurate.

The bleeding hearts have forced nothing on the horses. If you think the conditions are so bad in Mexico, why aren’t you supporting the bills that will stop it? Are you aware that horses were going to Mexico when the domestic kill houses were open? Where was your outrage then? Where is your outrage at the owners that continue breeding that can’t afford to care for the horses they have? The only people complaining are those that don’t take responsibility for their animals. Responsible horse owners support the legislation. Responsible horse owners make sure they can provide for their horses in life and death. 

The rescues wouldn’t be growing so fast if the ones that have been in existence for years weren’t constantly rescuing horses from the meat men. There would be plenty of room for those that have truly fallen on hard times. Please don’t use the abuse/neglect argument. It doesn’t hold water. I can give you hundreds of case of seized horses when the kill houses were open. The people that abuse/neglect their animals do so whether there is slaughter available or not. Slaughter is a business. They are not providing a service to the US. They are in it to make money for their parent companies in France and Belgium. The number of horses slaughtered is based on the demand for meat, not on the supply of horses. Read the statistics on the USDA website. We went from over 400,000 horses down to 77,000. With 300,000 less horses slaughtered, can you tell us where those 300,000 horses have gone every year? As the counts dropped dramatically, there were no stories of abandoned horses no increases of abuse and neglect. How do you explain that? When the US didn’t have enough horses to supply the demand, horses were imported to the kill houses. A little bit of research goes a long way and will give you facts. Where are the facts to back your analysis? If you are referring to the bogus articles of abuse and abandonment, you can go the Kaufman Zoning website and read the reports from the officials. The sightings are about as credible as UFO sightings.

Why aren’t you asking why organizations like the AVMA and AQHA aren’t using the hundreds of thousands of dollars they are spending on PAC donations, professional lobbyists and PR firms to start a fund to help owners with hay and vet care for their animals? Please give the irresponsible owners/breeders the benefit of the doubt that they have a shred of intelligence to realize they should not own or breed more than they can afford to care for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane E, yes I have read the bill and have gone to Washington DC to lobby for its passage. It clearly calls out horses going to slaughter. If you are referring to the “other purposes” it means a horse cannot be transferred to slaughter for other purposes. In laymen’s terms, you cannot transport a horse to slaughter for any purpose. The pro folks like to use that as one of their scare tactics. If they would seek legal counsel to understand what the language means, they would realize how ridiculous that argument is. The AQHA tried that and was immediately corrected by Senator Landrieu’s office. As far as stopping owners from transporting their horses for show or sale, this bill will not impact them. Do you know anyone that shows horses that packs them into a double decker with 50 horses? If someone is selling their horse outside of the US, paperwork is required. Expensive paperwork. You must have health certificates and coggins. If they’re being sold to someone if Mexico, they must pay an import tax. All of these documents are traceable and are not required for slaughter horses – nor does the import tax apply. The owner would have a bill of sale that would cover them. Nobody is going to go to that expense to send a horse to slaughter. I would suggest YOU read the bill and understand what language means instead of repeating the pro dribble that is totally inaccurate.</p>
<p>The bleeding hearts have forced nothing on the horses. If you think the conditions are so bad in Mexico, why aren’t you supporting the bills that will stop it? Are you aware that horses were going to Mexico when the domestic kill houses were open? Where was your outrage then? Where is your outrage at the owners that continue breeding that can’t afford to care for the horses they have? The only people complaining are those that don’t take responsibility for their animals. Responsible horse owners support the legislation. Responsible horse owners make sure they can provide for their horses in life and death. </p>
<p>The rescues wouldn’t be growing so fast if the ones that have been in existence for years weren’t constantly rescuing horses from the meat men. There would be plenty of room for those that have truly fallen on hard times. Please don’t use the abuse/neglect argument. It doesn’t hold water. I can give you hundreds of case of seized horses when the kill houses were open. The people that abuse/neglect their animals do so whether there is slaughter available or not. Slaughter is a business. They are not providing a service to the US. They are in it to make money for their parent companies in France and Belgium. The number of horses slaughtered is based on the demand for meat, not on the supply of horses. Read the statistics on the USDA website. We went from over 400,000 horses down to 77,000. With 300,000 less horses slaughtered, can you tell us where those 300,000 horses have gone every year? As the counts dropped dramatically, there were no stories of abandoned horses no increases of abuse and neglect. How do you explain that? When the US didn’t have enough horses to supply the demand, horses were imported to the kill houses. A little bit of research goes a long way and will give you facts. Where are the facts to back your analysis? If you are referring to the bogus articles of abuse and abandonment, you can go the Kaufman Zoning website and read the reports from the officials. The sightings are about as credible as UFO sightings.</p>
<p>Why aren’t you asking why organizations like the AVMA and AQHA aren’t using the hundreds of thousands of dollars they are spending on PAC donations, professional lobbyists and PR firms to start a fund to help owners with hay and vet care for their animals? Please give the irresponsible owners/breeders the benefit of the doubt that they have a shred of intelligence to realize they should not own or breed more than they can afford to care for.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you read that bill carefully?  Do you realise the implications it can have on transporting horses period?  To places like shows, sales, breedings, races, etc.?  How do you police a horse that is "properly" sold to outside the USA, and then is sold down the line to a slaughter house?   Are US horse breeders going to be forced to give one aspect of their economy, the international market?   

Read these bills carefully before making a decision, and use one's head, not one's heart, is all I say.  If that had happened regarding the forced closing of US slaughter houses, maybe those many horses being transported out of the country in horrendous conditions, to be slaughtered in absolutely horrific situations as has been outlined for Mexican slaughterhouses by the anti-slaughter crowd, wouldn't have suffered what 'bleeding hearts' forced on them.

I do notice, however, you haven't addressed the fact that running an equine rescue seems to be America's fastest growth industry in the US--or the fact that some of the rescues have since had horses seized for neglect/abuse...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read that bill carefully?  Do you realise the implications it can have on transporting horses period?  To places like shows, sales, breedings, races, etc.?  How do you police a horse that is &#8220;properly&#8221; sold to outside the USA, and then is sold down the line to a slaughter house?   Are US horse breeders going to be forced to give one aspect of their economy, the international market?   </p>
<p>Read these bills carefully before making a decision, and use one&#8217;s head, not one&#8217;s heart, is all I say.  If that had happened regarding the forced closing of US slaughter houses, maybe those many horses being transported out of the country in horrendous conditions, to be slaughtered in absolutely horrific situations as has been outlined for Mexican slaughterhouses by the anti-slaughter crowd, wouldn&#8217;t have suffered what &#8216;bleeding hearts&#8217; forced on them.</p>
<p>I do notice, however, you haven&#8217;t addressed the fact that running an equine rescue seems to be America&#8217;s fastest growth industry in the US&#8211;or the fact that some of the rescues have since had horses seized for neglect/abuse&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: vicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane, E, of course you're not seeing a slowing in foal mill breeders. Slaughter is still very much availalbe so they can continue the breed and dump cycle. We need to pass S311 &#38; HR 503 to stop the transports and end this industry once and for all. As long as slaughter is available, the cycle will continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane, E, of course you&#8217;re not seeing a slowing in foal mill breeders. Slaughter is still very much availalbe so they can continue the breed and dump cycle. We need to pass S311 &amp; HR 503 to stop the transports and end this industry once and for all. As long as slaughter is available, the cycle will continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, since the closing of the slaughterhouses, the only ones who seem to be cutting back are the responsible breeders.  "Foal mill" breeders are still breeding since they know that somewhere someone will fall for the bleeding heart "save the foalies" attitude.  And failing that, there's always those trucks leaving the US for the Canadian and Mexican slaughterhouses...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, since the closing of the slaughterhouses, the only ones who seem to be cutting back are the responsible breeders.  &#8220;Foal mill&#8221; breeders are still breeding since they know that somewhere someone will fall for the bleeding heart &#8220;save the foalies&#8221; attitude.  And failing that, there&#8217;s always those trucks leaving the US for the Canadian and Mexican slaughterhouses&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who spoke to Oren Dorell (the USA Today reporter) at length, I found the article to be just what I expected: propaganda. Blaming anything on a drop in slaughter is ridiculous at face value because slaughter has not dropped.  Slaughter dipped only 14% last year while companies moved their slaughter to Canada and Mexico, but overall it is now as high as it was in 2006. 

Oren had his mind made up before he began his "research". At one point I told him that I had requested the president of a large coalition of rescues poll his members about just how full they were this year vs last year. Since that was the point of the article, I thought Dorell would want such information.  Mr. Dorell  send me back an email stating "I will do my own reporting thank you."  In other words, he had no interest in facts, and he certainly showed that in his article.  

I am just glad he did not quote me in the article.  Given his propensity for getting his sources wrong, I can only imagine what I would have been quoted as saying.

The real question is who is getting hacks like Dorell to do all these distorted and false stories?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who spoke to Oren Dorell (the USA Today reporter) at length, I found the article to be just what I expected: propaganda. Blaming anything on a drop in slaughter is ridiculous at face value because slaughter has not dropped.  Slaughter dipped only 14% last year while companies moved their slaughter to Canada and Mexico, but overall it is now as high as it was in 2006. </p>
<p>Oren had his mind made up before he began his &#8220;research&#8221;. At one point I told him that I had requested the president of a large coalition of rescues poll his members about just how full they were this year vs last year. Since that was the point of the article, I thought Dorell would want such information.  Mr. Dorell  send me back an email stating &#8220;I will do my own reporting thank you.&#8221;  In other words, he had no interest in facts, and he certainly showed that in his article.  </p>
<p>I am just glad he did not quote me in the article.  Given his propensity for getting his sources wrong, I can only imagine what I would have been quoted as saying.</p>
<p>The real question is who is getting hacks like Dorell to do all these distorted and false stories?</p>
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