Comments on: ApHC National Point Fees: Where does the money go? http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/ Sat, 05 May 2012 17:54:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Dave http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-27388 Dave Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:33:08 +0000 http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/#comment-27388 It would be interesting to know the income of our members. I wounder how it compares to the AQHA and APHA? To start with anyone that is an ApHC member is so because of an extreame love of the breed. Thats not to say people don't love other breeds. Our mission as hard as it may be, is to attract new people that will not only grow our numbers in members but attract more professionals that have the resources advance the breed. Right now we should be doing the things simplify our rules, keeps showing fun an affordable and attracts new people. When you have the top breeders with so little market to work with that you are unable to sell good young horses for what it costs to put them on the ground, you have a real problem! To bury our collective heads in the sand and not address this is sad. It is just like any other business, when things are not selling it is not time to raise prices or cut the quality. It is time to improve the product and cut your costs by managing better. It would be interesting to know the income of our members. I wounder how it compares to the AQHA and APHA? To start with anyone that is an ApHC member is so because of an extreame love of the breed. Thats not to say people don’t love other breeds. Our mission as hard as it may be, is to attract new people that will not only grow our numbers in members but attract more professionals that have the resources advance the breed. Right now we should be doing the things simplify our rules, keeps showing fun an affordable and attracts new people. When you have the top breeders with so little market to work with that you are unable to sell good young horses for what it costs to put them on the ground, you have a real problem! To bury our collective heads in the sand and not address this is sad. It is just like any other business, when things are not selling it is not time to raise prices or cut the quality. It is time to improve the product and cut your costs by managing better.

]]> By: Stephanie Thelen http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26934 Stephanie Thelen Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:01:09 +0000 http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/#comment-26934 I can tell you that I've not been to a breed show in years. I love competing at the breed shows, but when the total entries for 4 classes add up to over $400 and I can go to a open barrel race for $55 and win money, I can't afford the breed show. I would probably make the breed show happen if there were more than 1-3 horses in the class, but no one else will compete for the same reasons. I was so dissapointed to watch a ApHC show this weekend where the largest class had 6 horses and the average class had 2. I love this breed, but the AVERAGE working man can not afford to compete within it. Sure, there are a few who have the money and think this is small beans. The majority of the membership is average people though. I can tell you that I’ve not been to a breed show in years. I love competing at the breed shows, but when the total entries for 4 classes add up to over $400 and I can go to a open barrel race for $55 and win money, I can’t afford the breed show. I would probably make the breed show happen if there were more than 1-3 horses in the class, but no one else will compete for the same reasons.

I was so dissapointed to watch a ApHC show this weekend where the largest class had 6 horses and the average class had 2.

I love this breed, but the AVERAGE working man can not afford to compete within it. Sure, there are a few who have the money and think this is small beans. The majority of the membership is average people though.

]]> By: Dave http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26701 Dave Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:00:44 +0000 http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/#comment-26701 Wow! Is it really all that hard ? I know I keep hearing its all about fun for the members. Well my time involved with my horses and a few members over the last four years has been fun for the most part. My involvement with the organization and leadership has been less. I had longed for 32 years to own another Appaloosa. I now have to many. And love them all. This is a business like it or not. We need to run it like a business. Good sound business practices would dictate that we review all our management practices from top to bottom. Its starts with our Mission Statement, Building a good Business plan and following it. We need to stop putting bandaids on things. We need to stop changing things just to be changing them. We need sound business leadership. I listen in the stalls and that is what everyone is saying and they don't even know it. Nobody wants to rock the boat. WELL I think some one needs to. I am sure that we have business people within that know how to achieve the results we all want. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT POINT FEES ARE A PROBLEM. IT IS REVENUE THATS A PROBLEM ! ITS POOR MANAGEMENT THATS A PROBLEM ! BEFORE THE REPUTATION OF THE ApHC GETS ANY WORSE LETS GET IT FIXED. Our dues are low, for what we all pay into this Club we get a big bang for our buck. If we want more or need more then we need to improve. We need to be more of a business and less of a Club. We owe it to these wounderful horses called Appaloosa. Wow! Is it really all that hard ? I know I keep hearing its all about fun for the members. Well my time involved with my horses and a few members over the last four years has been fun for the most part. My involvement with the organization and leadership has been less. I had longed for 32 years to own another Appaloosa. I now have to many. And love them all. This is a business like it or not. We need to run it like a business. Good sound business practices would dictate that we review all our management practices from top to bottom. Its starts with our Mission Statement, Building a good Business plan and following it. We need to stop putting bandaids on things. We need to stop changing things just to be changing them. We need sound business leadership. I listen in the stalls and that is what everyone is saying and they don’t even know it. Nobody wants to rock the boat. WELL I think some one needs to. I am sure that we have business people within that know how to achieve the results we all want. I CAN’T BELIEVE THAT POINT FEES ARE A PROBLEM. IT IS REVENUE THATS A PROBLEM ! ITS POOR MANAGEMENT THATS A PROBLEM ! BEFORE THE REPUTATION OF THE ApHC GETS ANY WORSE LETS GET IT FIXED. Our dues are low, for what we all pay into this Club we get a big bang for our buck. If we want more or need more then we need to improve. We need to be more of a business and less of a Club. We owe it to these wounderful horses called Appaloosa.

]]> By: Susan Thibodeaux http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26608 Susan Thibodeaux Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:36:50 +0000 http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/#comment-26608 RE: What many of you do not realize is that there are limited ways in which the Appaloosa horse club recieves revenue. We know that - however the other registries operate under the same contraints - laber costs, facilities, marketing, utilities, general and administrative - all businesses have those. What revenue enables the other associations to operate without the high point fees the ApHC relies on? How do they balance their revenue vs expenses? I don't have a problem with the blanket fees the regional clubs charge - they are pretty much in line with the other breed association shows around here. Its the point fees breaking the bank for app exhibitors when compared to the other breed shows. So how do they do it? Its time to really analyze the costs and think outside the box - like a business trying to survive would do. RE: What many of you do not realize is that there are limited ways in which the Appaloosa horse club recieves revenue.

We know that – however the other registries operate under the same contraints – laber costs, facilities, marketing, utilities, general and administrative – all businesses have those. What revenue enables the other associations to operate without the high point fees the ApHC relies on? How do they balance their revenue vs expenses?

I don’t have a problem with the blanket fees the regional clubs charge – they are pretty much in line with the other breed association shows around here. Its the point fees breaking the bank for app exhibitors when compared to the other breed shows. So how do they do it? Its time to really analyze the costs and think outside the box – like a business trying to survive would do.

]]> By: Sue http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26578 Sue Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:09:32 +0000 http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/#comment-26578 What many of you do not realize is that there are limited ways in which the Appaloosa horse club recieves revenue. The national point fee is one method of revenue. Registrations, transfers and world and national shows are others. However the world and national shows have large expenses, just as regional shows do. The people at the national office do not work for free, and should not be expected to work for free. The club also has to pay for utilities, probably property taxes, office supplies, phones and repairs. Let's face it, they don't get enough out of the two shows, registrations, transfers and pedigree requests to cover this. True, since everything has gone up, we may have to adjust the number of classes we go in. The regional clubs in TX offer reasonable blanket fees to help the exhibitor. If you don't use the blanket fee, the individual class fee is priced to cover the points fees and related expenses. As with the national club, the regional clubs have to cover the show expenses. What many of you do not realize is that there are limited ways in which the Appaloosa horse club recieves revenue. The national point fee is one method of revenue. Registrations, transfers and world and national shows are others. However the world and national shows have large expenses, just as regional shows do. The people at the national office do not work for free, and should not be expected to work for free. The club also has to pay for utilities, probably property taxes, office supplies, phones and repairs. Let’s face it, they don’t get enough out of the two shows, registrations, transfers and pedigree requests to cover this. True, since everything has gone up, we may have to adjust the number of classes we go in. The regional clubs in TX offer reasonable blanket fees to help the exhibitor. If you don’t use the blanket fee, the individual class fee is priced to cover the points fees and related expenses. As with the national club, the regional clubs have to cover the show expenses.

]]> By: Amy http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26559 Amy Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:17:40 +0000 http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/#comment-26559 AQHA shows in our state offer blanket fees. AQHA shows in our state offer blanket fees.

]]> By: Carrie Giannandrea http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26548 Carrie Giannandrea Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:38:29 +0000 http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/#comment-26548 The NPF keeps our shows from growing......it discourages people on a tight budget to even attempt to show............it keeps current show folks from entering more classes. In this day and age of $4.50/gal diesel..............how many folks are even going to consider traveling to our shows, let alone pay the high class fees and a higher than normal NPF fee. We are all intelligent enough to understand numbers. Show us WHERE the money goes, then the membership can decide if they want to keep spending it that way. Carrie Giannandrea Dances with Horses Formula One Farms The NPF keeps our shows from growing……it discourages people on a tight budget to even attempt to show…………it keeps current show folks from entering more classes.

In this day and age of $4.50/gal diesel…………..how many folks are even going to consider traveling to our shows, let alone pay the high class fees and a higher than normal NPF fee.

We are all intelligent enough to understand numbers. Show us WHERE the money goes, then the membership can decide if they want to keep spending it that way.

Carrie Giannandrea
Dances with Horses
Formula One Farms

]]> By: Sara http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26537 Sara Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:55:11 +0000 http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/#comment-26537 The AQHA does have point fees, they are just added in to the class fee per judge instead of listed seperately. This is probably because AQHA shows do not offer blanket fees. The AQHA also charges every horse a drug testing fee per judge which the ApHC does not. I show quarter horses for many years before coming to the Apps and the Apps are much cheaper. The AQHA does have point fees, they are just added in to the class fee per judge instead of listed seperately. This is probably because AQHA shows do not offer blanket fees. The AQHA also charges every horse a drug testing fee per judge which the ApHC does not. I show quarter horses for many years before coming to the Apps and the Apps are much cheaper.

]]> By: Ann Jentz http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26479 Ann Jentz Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:04:11 +0000 http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/#comment-26479 I have to agree with everyone else who commented on the national point fee. Ours are MUCH higher than BOTH the Paint and Quarter horse associations. AQHA is $5 per horse per judge per weekend, APHA is $2-$3 per horse per weekend. No wonder a large number of our members have recently gone to the Paints! This fee discourages a person from showing in a class they may be marginal in which in turn drives our entries down! I don't show in a lot of classes I would show in simply because it isn't worth it to see if I MIGHT pick up a point or two here and there. This certainly doesn't do the people who do well in those classes any good because they don't pick up the number of points they used to be able to get. In my opinion it is past time to lower these fees. Who is going to even consider showing Appaloosa if they are paying more money in fees and getting fewer points? We have to give people a REASON to make our horse their breed of choice. I have to agree with everyone else who commented on the national point fee. Ours are MUCH higher than BOTH the Paint and Quarter horse associations. AQHA is $5 per horse per judge per weekend, APHA is $2-$3 per horse per weekend. No wonder a large number of our members have recently gone to the Paints!

This fee discourages a person from showing in a class they may be marginal in which in turn drives our entries down! I don’t show in a lot of classes I would show in simply because it isn’t worth it to see if I MIGHT pick up a point or two here and there. This certainly doesn’t do the people who do well in those classes any good because they don’t pick up the number of points they used to be able to get.

In my opinion it is past time to lower these fees. Who is going to even consider showing Appaloosa if they are paying more money in fees and getting fewer points? We have to give people a REASON to make our horse their breed of choice.

]]> By: Penny Whitehead http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26465 Penny Whitehead Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:48:30 +0000 http://appaloosablogspot.com/2008/03/20/aphc-national-point-fees-where-does-the-money-go/#comment-26465 O.K., I am wondering here if some more specific details can be shared and if so where? Also specifially, how does the ApHC stack up against some of the other associations with similiar programs of shows with paybacks. Are there some issues or figures that are confidential as in wages but can those be shared as a general expense without divulging specifics or breaking the rules of access by the membership? Is this information all available to the entire membership and if so where can it be found or can our directors furnish it for those who want the exact to the penny type of info? And personally thank you for addressing this subject openly as from past experience, some of the issues of the running of the registry has been less open with information sharing. Penny O.K., I am wondering here if some more specific details can be shared and if so where? Also specifially, how does the ApHC stack up against some of the other associations with similiar programs of shows with paybacks. Are there some issues or figures that are confidential as in wages but can those be shared as a general expense without divulging specifics or breaking the rules of access by the membership?
Is this information all available to the entire membership and if so where can it be found or can our directors furnish it for those who want the exact to the penny type of info? And personally thank you for addressing this subject openly as from past experience, some of the issues of the running of the registry has been less open with information sharing.
Penny

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