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ApHC Drugs and Medications Rule

The Appaloosa Horse Club Board of Directors in July approved some changes to rules pertaining to “conditionally permitted medications.” Much of the impetus for amending the current rules came from a desire to make any disciplinary actions or punishment more appropriately fit the seriousness of the violation. For example, the use of behavior-changing or performance-enhancing medications carries stronger punishment than a small margin overage of ordinary pain medications or therapeutic drugs.

A board committee established for the purpose of reviewing medication rules and making a final recommendation to the full board worked with several veterinarians and also consulted with our drug testing laboratory to ensure that their proposal included humane treatment options, at the same time including medications that would not interfere with testing for performance-enhancing drugs. The board also reviewed a comparison chart indicating that ApHC approval of certain medications would bring us closer to the specifications followed by organizations such as AQHA, American Paint Horse Association, NSBA and the U.S. Equestrian Federation.

The Appaloosa Horse Club continues to be very specific in its definitions of “forbidden substance,” administration guidelines and permitted exceptions. The overall goal is quite simply to give ApHC members the benefit of “modern therapeutic measures” for improvement and protection of the health of the horse, including non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, unless the drug given also may stimulate or depress the circulatory, respiratory, or central or peripheral nervous systems.” It is important to remember that when maximum limits of any drug or medication are exceeded, ApHC considers it a “forbidden substance.”

To read the motion and accompanying data, please see motion #16-07-07 on pages M21–24 in the September issue of the Appaloosa Journal. The motions are also on the ApHC website at this address: http://www.appaloosa.com/association/bod.htm. Once there, click on Summary of Motions (July 8, 2007).

72 Comments

  1. Dodie Sable Said,

    August 31, 2007 @ 10:51 am

    In my sport of choice [endurance] the horses can be on *NO DRUGS* when we compete. We can not give many natural herbal supplements, chocolate or any other caffinated goody. I beleive allowing any horse to compete in *ANY* venue when that horse requires medications of any kind to be a serious lack of judgement on the part of the trainer and owner. When the organization that holds all the rules and regulations for the breed says *YES* to drugs in the showring or in competition, then they have seriously undermined the whole point of showing the “best of the breed”. In my opinion: For those directors that chose to vote yes to induct a stringent tracking of the HYPP horses, *YOU* should have voted *NO* to drug use in competition and opened a new motion to have all HYPP horses re-registered and DNA typed BEFORE they could be shown or bred. If an HYPP horse required meds to survive, it should not be showing and it should CERTAINLY not be breeding.

    Shame on you all for voting to allow more drug use [and abuse] in our Association. Horses should be sound and healthy in order to compete, not drugged.

    Dodie Sable
    member #774789

  2. KDJJ Appaloosas Said,

    August 31, 2007 @ 11:17 am

    Steve,
    Thank you for bringing this important matter up. As you’re aware, I’m strongly against this ruling. I think the turn of events have pointed us in an unforeseen direction, for the BOD’s, the members, the registry and most importantly the Appaloosa. I understand the BOD’s have to choose a delicate balance between what is current and trendy and what is out-dated. However, the means of something this controversial, perhaps, should have had more member input, if not then, now. I have no plans on using any drugs, in any show, at any time and would respectfully anticipate a level adn fair playing field. Thanks again for posting this important issue.
    Dar
    http://www.KDJJappaloosas.com

  3. Susan Heite Said,

    August 31, 2007 @ 12:17 pm

    Steve, I guess I have to disagree with you NO DRUGS. I believe in a no DRUG rule for everything. I have always been under the impression that show horses are the best of the best so how can you say its OK to use any type of DRUG. Does this not take away the feeling of ACCOMPLISHMENT. I do not want people at open shows, trail rides, team penning, cutting meets and ECT to wonder if my horses are drugged. You talk about other organizations doing this well following others sometimes gets you nothing. This club has enough problems why add more. Susan

  4. Ronda Willis Said,

    August 31, 2007 @ 12:22 pm

    Since finding out that we now have a new list of approved drugs allowed to show in our pen, I’ve been doing alot of studying up on the different ones approved. I’ve spoken with vets and have done research online as well as through different books.
    I really don’t understand how we can allow Lasix to be used for a number of reasons. Not only is it a masking drug, it’s also a diruetic and can cause complications with the kidney’s as well as the heart.
    It’s not a drug to be used as preventative medicine either. And not a great drug to use in hot/humid weather. (Think Jackson here)
    (anyone who speaks to their vet as well as does research of their own can find the same things out…be sure and mention how we run our games classes…..horse against horse)
    When it’s mentioned studies were done prior to the vote, did anyone do an actual study of the use of Lasix on our Appaloosa game horses with the way we run horse against horse?
    While the drug was approved for race horses, those horses only run X amount of times per year, not numerous times in a couple hours. And with the way our World schedule is for games classes this year, has studies been done to see the affects on our horses who may use this drug for so many days in a row?
    From what I’ve learned, the use of lasix is going to do more harm than good.
    I wish the ApHC BOD would look into this drug more thoroughly before it has time to be added to our rulebook for next year. There is time to right this wrong of this drug being allowed.
    We all need to do what’s right for our horses, the Appaloosa and not go along with allowing this or that because other orgnaizations do. We need to stand strong and be the forerunner of things. We can show how great our horses are if we do what’s right for us, not what’s right for others. Don’t you think? Why is it that we seem to have to follow what other organizations are doing instead of standing up for what’s right for us and making our own decisions for us?
    I was very proud of the fact that the ApHC had such a hard stand on drugs and now, it saddens me that we are allowing ourselves to be just like everyone else, not standing strong on our own, showing/proving how great our breed is.
    And, for the record, in the original statement made on this, USEF does NOT allow the use of lasix.
    The use of Acet to allow HYPP N/H & H/H to show is another problem I see for the Appaloosa itself.
    Why would we allow any drug to be used to help prop up a genetically defective animal to represent our breed in the show pen?
    Do we really want to showcase genetically defective horses?
    I for one hope that a special meeting can be called to order and do what’s right for the Appaloosa itself. Let our horses prove they can do it all without the use of more approved drugs to enter the pen.
    Why can’t we showcase our breed for what they are, strong, athletic, healthy, beautiful, undrugged horses?
    I’d truly love to know how these new approved drugs are going to help our Appaloosas.
    While I adamantly oppose the new drug list approved, I do like the penalty part of the rule. It’s too bad we couldn’t have/didn’t seperate the two issues for the BOD to vote on. Why is it that we didn’t?

  5. Carrie Giannandrea Said,

    August 31, 2007 @ 2:16 pm

    The new disciplinary actions and HYPP status included with the new Drug Ruling are to be commended.

    The Veteranarians used were not IMPARTIAL to the Appaloosa Show Ring.

    How is including Acetazolamide and Lasix NOT interfering with testing for other Drugs? These are well documented drug MASKING agents.

    Can you please tell me where the USEF allows the use of Acet or Lasix ??

    The Appaloosa Horse does not need to “follow” the other stock breeds in having a list of drugs in order to Show and Compete. This is a pretty lame excuse for allowing drugs to be used on our horses.

    6 of the Drugs added are Pain Relievers and Two of the drugs added are used for horses with defects.

    In my opinion, this move taints this great horses’ image even more.

    I urge every member to contact their BOD, this issue needs to be re-visited.

    Carrie Giannandrea
    Appaloosas – Just Say No to Drugs

  6. James Kelley Said,

    August 31, 2007 @ 4:03 pm

    I won’t even address the new drug junk, the thing I’m most concerned about is the somewhat sneaky way it went down,,perfectly timing with the Nationals, and not posting the proposal/motion information until it’s too late,,,,left the general ApHC members with no time to say anything,,,,,, but, that’s horse show politics for ya.

  7. James Kelley Said,

    August 31, 2007 @ 4:34 pm

    I just did a quick google search on Acetazolamide and very quickly found a site saying it alters the ph of, and dilutes the urine, which makes accurate testing impossible, and if detected in pro athelete urine test, the test is marked positive for drugs………the people who are tempted to use drugs in their individual classes will really love this stuff! It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see where this will go.

  8. Kathy Cullison Said,

    August 31, 2007 @ 6:51 pm

    I find it disturbing enough that horses are purposely bred with a genetic disorder so that they will win in the show ring! The show ring is to showcase the “Best of the Breed” I’m sorry, but I do not consider horses with genetic defects as fitting into that catagory. AND when you then rule to allow these horses to be drugged to make it easier to get them in the show ring, this is just plain criminal. Allowing the use of Acet not only masks other performance enhancing drugs, but it also condones and encourages people to continue to breed for this inhumane genetic defect.

    It is well known that acet and lasix are not allowed by USEF. It’s time to stop following in the shadow of AQHA and have some integrity. Just because they may do it, doesn’t make it right. It’s time to stop following show trends regardless of their detrimental effect on our horses, our breed or our image. Please, lets keep the sick horses at home, continue to not allow these drugs and really showcase the Best of the Breed.

    I urge all of our Directors to vote NO and rescind this rule.

    Kathy Cullison

  9. Jodie LaRosh, Road's End Ranch Said,

    August 31, 2007 @ 6:55 pm

    As an Appaloosa fancier, supporter, promoter, showman and breeder, I found the passing of the new allowable drug rule to be an embarrassment to the Breed and the Appaloosa Horse Club, specifically the use of Acetazolamide and Lasix. It does nothing to promote the natural ability, agility, versatility, willingness and overall usefulness of this breed.

    Appaloosas who have a genetic defect that requires them to be drugged to perform should not be a) used in those disciplines b) exhibited as the Best Of The Best or c) reproduced. And let’s face it, the horse showing public and non-horseshowing public perceive show/performance horses to be the Best Of The Best. If the best we have to offer need drugs to perform, what does that say about our Breed?

    I’ve contacted ALL of the ApHC Directors twice since the second and final vote was cast. Six of them have been responsible enough to respond. What does that say about the concern the ApHC BOD’s have for what their Members have to say?

    Some allowance needs to be given to horses administered Bute for long distance transport to participate in major venues for fatigue and swelling. But, we should not condone use of drugs to help keep a horse from having a seizure or bursting blood vessels and literally bleeding.

    It shouldn’t matter what everyone else is doing. What should matter is what’s best for our horses and producing the best Appaloosa we can. Genetically healthy horses don’t need drugs to show/perform.

    If the BOD’s wish to address the HYPP and drug penalty issues, it should be done so separately. Lumping issues together tends to allow the good and the bad. If each issue stood alone, the individual merit could be discussed, debated and voted on.

    Appaloosas don’t need drugs to show/perform. What they need are people willing to breed the best to the best, train them, or have them trained, to do everything they’re are capable of doing without the use of drugs.

    Jodie LaRosh
    Road’s End Ranch

  10. Penny Whitehead Said,

    August 31, 2007 @ 8:09 pm

    Just a short comment here. I am against some of the campaigns for the removal of the new drug rule but am adamantly opposed to the rule itself. I have been with this breed for over 40 years, competed in mostly open but also breed shows and have never needed nor seen the need for drugs to compete, at any level and as a valid, paid up member do strongly suggest this whole issue be looked into further and the full membership input encouraged. I have not tolerated drugs in my family except for medical reasons and those were not tied to any competition, just health issues.
    I see this issue as a blight on our breed, a mistake by the sitting board and the action of a past sitting President of the board to what I witnessed in March with the attempt to ram through a drug change after a meeting not announced or open to the total membership or those able to attend the meeting.
    I have read some voted to support this due to the tie-ins of other drug issues. A harsh word and possiblly not a legal term but the word blackmail comes to mind.
    I raise drug fee horses, I have competed on drug free horses and I certainly hope in the future this new rule will be stricken from the books. Our breed is far better than that. A good honest horse needs no propping up by medications and if it does, well, it should stay home and not represent what I am trying in my own small way to promote as the best horse breed on the planet.
    Penny

  11. Rosalie Moffett Said,

    August 31, 2007 @ 10:05 pm

    I am strongly against drugs of ANY kind being used in our show rings. If a horse requires drugs it does NOT have any business being in the shows. Our horses deserve our best intentions and the public and others who show their horses deserve to know that they have a fair chance in our shows and that we show only the best of the best….drug free.

    Please rethink this….and resend this allowing of drugs in our shows.
    Sincerely,
    Rosalie Moffett

  12. Karen E. Valli Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 5:28 am

    I can’t add much to what’s already been said above (Bravo, ladies!) but I can ask one question..
    What GOOD does this new ruling do for the Appaloosa horse ??
    None that I see..
    If anything, the list of acceptable drugs and allowable defects should be shrinking if we are really looking to improve the ‘breed’…

  13. Penny Kowalski Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 7:01 am

    The appaloosa horse should NOT need or be allowed to use drugs to compete in either halter or performance classes. If a horse needs drugs to compete or even function he is not the “best of the best” and that is what is supposed to be in the show ring and the breeding barn. In the words of the late Robert L Peckinpah…..”Breeders, do not pamper,spoil or corrupt him. Keep him virile,tough and speedy. Improve, if you can his staying capacity, enlarge his field of activity, so his stamina and versatility will continue unequalled and unchallenged thoughout the world “. We are not doing this and are actually going completely the opposite direction if we allow flawed animals to show or compete with drugs. If they can’t do it………They are not the best of the best and do not belong in the breeding barn or the show ring. The original foundation appaloosa was as tough as the country that he helped to build and we need to retain that soundness and toughness.

    Penny Kowalski
    Lake View Ranch Appaloosas

  14. James Kelley Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 7:54 am

    two comments, the BOD’s…we elect them right? But when they go to meeting do they actually represent the people in their area? or do they (are they allowed to) vote just however they want? In other words if everyone in my area was against this, can my BOD vote for it, just because they are for it??? And Kathy Collisun, please, please, PLEASE! let us continue to follow in the shadow of the AQHA, as they are just about to stop allowing HYPP in their breed. I’ve spoken to Eric Beene, who was my BOD, several times about the HYPP issue, and he assured me the ApHC was simply waiting on the AQHA to do this first, and that the ApHC would follow, because the ApHC is too small to be able to afford a lawsuit of any kind, and I can understand that……..but, I sure hope what he told me comes true, how shameful will it be for the ApHC to continue being the only breed to breed HYPP….. and without the HYPP, we wouldn’t need this current drug ruling, am I right?? Seems to me they could have held off a few more years, since HYPP is on its way out the door.

  15. Ann Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 8:01 am

    I’m very dissappointed in the BOD decision to allow drugs, even drugs deemed “acceptable”. Your selling the breed short and catering to a few breeders and trainers.
    Of course this falls in line with out-crossing, minimal color, fake tails, low head carriage and everything else that plagues not only Appaloosas, but Paints and Quarter Horses.
    What a shame.

  16. James Kelley Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 8:11 am

    PS. being that I am a horseman, and in all the definitions I know of a horseman, they would not and do not breed defects/disease in their stock, I don’t need these drugs. And, being a horseman, I wouldn’t take a horse anywhere, that was in need of these types of drugs, he would be at home until he got better, because that’s how a horseman handles things. The only drugs I would consider being ok to use are bute and banimine, at a show… and if I had to end up using these 2 drugs at a show, I doubt my horse would be in the ring, he would be resting in the stall for the trip home….but then again, I am a horseman.

  17. Marybeth Cillo Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 8:15 am

    Drugged to compete? Until the rule is rescinded there at least thirteen Appaloosas who will be groomed to compete in open venues rather than contributing to point totals at ApHC shows. I won’t play against a stacked deck.

    Marybeth in Pittsburgh PA

  18. Anna Larson Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 9:01 am

    ABSOLUTELY INSANE!!! I can’t believe that not only would you allow these drugs in order to gain a competitive edge, but that you would do such in almost secret with out allowing for general membership comments and concerns. I Believe that in instances like this were the BOD itself would stand to gain from the action then the ENTIRE membership needs to be allowed to vote on the rule. I plan on competing in endurance riding (my horses just turned 4 this year so look for them in a year or so on the trials) But I know that AERC and other competitive trail and endurance organizations are DRUG free.
    Also why should we allow drugs for HYPP horses when we really should be banning them from registration in the first place.
    So nice, allow horses with a known genetic defect to keep reproducing and then allow them to show on drugs. I’m against BOTH HYPP positive horses and the drugs that allow them to compete.

    Why should we follow what other breed registries do? We are are own unique breed and we shouldn’t have to follow the drug doping ways of the other registries.

  19. Kaite Nighthorse Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 9:01 am

    I would very much like to see the recently approved rule rescinded. I agree with the penalties outlined, but would like the drugs themselves covered in a separate rule, rather than piggy-backed with a rule that sets out the penalties. I don’t think that ANY drugs should be allowed that would be considered performance-enhancing, and certainly not any that would interfere with the accuracy of a drug test. I am also unhappy that this rule was not explained to the members in a timely fashion, so that OUR directors would have input from us. All in all, I feel this issue is very important to the members, and was handled poorly by the BoD. Maybe the proponents of the rule (in the membership) are being silent, but in all of the discussion going on, I haven’t seen one person say that they are for it as it. I hope the BoD reconsiders.

  20. Kathleen Wisely Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 9:27 am

    Over the last 20 years, I have been disappointed, dismayed, and even disgusted at some of the short sighted decisions and directions that the ApHC has taken. But this one, this one goes way too far by allowing horses that would otherwise be unfit to compete to have their drugs and compete against horses that do not need those drugs to compete.

    The whole point of showing a horse is to determine which horse is actually best in the class, NOT which inferior horse can be gassed up and turn in a single performance that is best on that day. I have seen complaints regarding low turnouts and lack of participation in the ApHC shows in recent years – does anyone really think that this drug ruling will positively impact those numbers? It makes me think that it would be silly to waste my money on going to an ApHC show and spending my money on entry fees to compete against someone who is allowed to show a horse that they know is inferior and needs drugs to make it look good and perform well.

    Please, please, please continue to oppose the use of drugs in ApHC competitive events. There is enough drug use in the human competitive sports, why bring it here?

  21. Megan Ritterpusch Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 9:38 am

    I am also one of the supporters of no drugs at all in competition or showing. Too many horses have been ruined because they could compete well if the owners just dosed them on bute and rested them the day before competition. If that happens with bute, what will happen with all of the new drugs recently added to the ApHC approved drug list? In particular, I find it to be astonishing that drugs such as acet and lasix are now permitted. Some Appaloosa forums have listed the argument that other breed registries allow these drugs. Shame on them, and shame on the ApHC for following their lead. Appaloosas are supposed to be known for their hardiness, healthiness, and longevity. Encouraging the showing and perpetuating of genetics that need drugs in order to do well is not Appaloosa. Other competition organizations such as USEF and AERC do not allow these things and they are thriving, full of champion horses, with Appaloosas excelling in open breed competition. The ApHC is not looking good on this vote. I urge the entire Board of Directors to reconsider this vote and repeal it as quickly as possible. There are interesting aspects to this vote, and some of the drugs such as ketoprofen would be acceptable to me, but I don’t think that this proposal as a whole is sound. Separate the proposal into penalties and parts and do it right. The Appaloosa will be better for it.

  22. James Kelley Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 9:45 am

    The sad thing is, when you get to the root of it all, is that there has always been this problem in the horse show world, and there always will be. With each change someone will find a drug to use/mask other drugs with, as long as there’s a significant title/money to win. Remember the drug bust a few years ago, when the lady that had just enough voice to force the ApHC to suspend most all the major western trainers? Do you think anything would had been done at all, if this one lady hadn’t had pushed it? Do you really think that’s the first time they ever used drugs….I have a good friend thats a National trainer in another leading breed, and while I’ve always admired her horsemanship, she has bowed to the problem,,,,,,,finding the right drug cocktail for each horse is as much a training tool for her as finding the right bit for each horse. You cannot convince me we don’t have a drug abuse problem in the top of the ApHC show world. I showed there for years, then landed a job that got me behind the scenes in all the trainers barns I always admired for years, and after seeing first hand these types of things that go on, I lost all respect for them, and haven’t shown since.

  23. Gayle Beckhart Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 10:41 am

    I find it extremely disheartening that this drug rule passed. While I think the more stringent tracking of HYPP horses and stronger disciplinary actions are step in the right direction, although we shouldn’t have had to go there in the first place, making it easier to let people promote their genetic disasters is a huge mistake. A genetically defective horse that has to be drugged to compete has absolutely no place in the show ring being passed off as the best of our breed or being bred. Period. What was the reason these issues couldn’t be voted on seperately? If the ApHC wasn’t a laughing stock already, it’s well on it’s way now. What a sad commentary on today’s show ethic’s and breeding practice’s. Please recind this ruling. Our horses are better than that.

  24. O'Ranch Apps Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 10:49 am

    I am slowly becoming embarrassed to admit that I am a member of the ApHC.
    As others have stated, the show ring is supposed to be the best of the best, but if our best have to be on drugs to get through the day, what does that say about “the best”?
    I thought the ApHC was all about the betterment of the breed, not the masking of bred in defects that are held up as the crown and glory of our breed.
    This club is quickly going down in history as a joke. It’s ashame that our horses have to suffer for the coveted blue ribbon.

    This coming from a breeder of the real appaloosa, Foundation Appaloosas don’t need drugs and don’t have genetic defects that are carried from one generation to another!

    Just say no to drugs!

    Stefanie
    member since 1994

  25. O'Ranch Apps Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 11:24 am

    The new drug ruling has no place in the show ring, or anywhere else for the ApHC, or any other breeds.
    It does not improve our breed, but in fact only masks defects that one can only wonder why it is still being bred, registered, shown and outright LIED about. HYPP …..
    The ApHC members should have more input regarding such important issues. Granted the majority of members don’t vote, but those that do, can and will make a difference if given the opportunity, but we were not given that opportunity with regards to this new drug policy. All for the sake of getting more money generated in the club for you guys and the blue ribbons for “those guys” that HAVE to use drugs on their less than perfect horses that should never have been bred in the first place!

    Stefanie O’Dell
    ApHC Member since 1994

  26. James Kelley Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 11:50 am

    maybe we should follow the members of the Tennesse Walking Horse association, and enlist outside help from the USDA, Humane Society, etc……….in 2006, at the 68th Celebration, for the first time in the history of this breed, there was no Worlds Grand Champion named, because inspectors came in and all but 3 horses in the class were disqualified for breaking the drug/abuse rules……….due to the extreme measures taken by members (for and extreme situation) the horses are now,,,,,,,,,,better…….

  27. Carolyn Barcus Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 1:23 pm

    No drugs, please.

    Horses that are ill or diseased and require drugs to satisfy their owner’s ambition to compete should not be in the ring. Beyond the abuse of the horse being exhibited in spite of illness or pain, it poses a potential danger to the horse, the rider, and other participants, thus exposing the ApHC to increased liability and potential legal action.

    If put to a membership vote, I believe the vast majority would say loudly, “No drugs!”

  28. Stefanie ODell Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 2:50 pm

    And just how do you think the drugs will not be abused?
    Why put horses in the arena that need to be drugged in the first place?? Oh, yeah, to win a blue ribbon. To make more money for the club. To perpetuate a defect that is still being bred into “show” horses, to win classes. No real care seems to be considered in the breeding showing shed anymore when it comes to serious thought about the animals welfare. Only, will it win mentality……Sad, truly sad.
    And I thought that our goal, as a whole group, be it foundation breeders, or modern breeders, was for the betterment of the breed.
    As Dodie Sable stated, “they have seriously undermined the whole point of showing the “best of the breed”.
    I couldn’t agree more.
    Shame on the BOD and breeders perpetuating the breeding of HYPP horses that have to have drugs to show and live a normal life. What a waste, just for a blue ribbon. Just for that 15 minutes of fame, and then to rebreed for more of these types…….

    Stefanie ODell
    O Ranch Apps
    Member since 1994

  29. Kathy Snyder Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 5:02 pm

    I am strongly against the use of drugs in any horse competition of any kind. We have to be responcible for the messages we are sending out not only to the general public; the horse community ; but also to our up and coming youth. What does it say for good sportsmanship and honest competition if we allow drugged horses to compete? What message do we send if we compromise the overall health of a horse to win at any cost? Who do our youth look up to, respect, and emulate when it is their turn to take the reins in the future of the Appaloosa horse? How can we tell our children to “Just say NO to drugs” and then turn around and drug an animal so it can show? If a horse needs drug support it needs to stay home on the farm to recover from whatever ails it. If a horse is born defective it is not the best we have to offer as a representitive of our wonderful breed. Please do not allow drugging for any reason.

  30. Jan Dockery Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 7:52 pm

    After moving to the country in 1997, after a life in the city, I did not set out to become a horse person. I only set out to take a walk. Little did I know that an early walk in the fresh air and morning mist would change my life! I came across a barn. Inside that barn was the most beautiful horse I’d ever seen! He had gorgeous coat colors, thick beautiful mane and tail, and the most gentle expression in his lovely eyes. He whimpered softly to me, and I went over to his stall to pet him … and …. as they say … the rest is history. That stallion stunned me with his rare beauty and precious personality. I later discovered that his mare, and young filly, were nearby … Within 3 years, I was the proud owner of both of his lovely fillies. Then my journey truly began >> I embarked upon a self-guided tour of the history and nature of the Appaloosa Horse. Up until that time, I knew nothing about the breed. But I uncovered the secrets of their origin and development. I studied their temperment, their bloodlines, their abilities, their character … and I was floored. I was totally mezmerized by the Appaloosa Horse. From there, I purchased a foundation leopard stallion, stud colt, and mare. Im now a true Appaloosa afficiendo.

    Sadly, I have not been inspired to support the ApHC to a very large extent … because Im having a difficult time trying to figure out which horse it is that the Club represents. The Appaloosa Horse is a stunning horse. He is a horse that is totally capable of taking your breath away! He is talented! He not only accepts challenges, but his mind is intrigued by them! He is brilliant. He can compete in any arena! He can win! But this is not the horse that Im seeing the Club perpetuate. Why do I see the Club consistantly flaunting horses that have to be drugged in order to step into the arena and compete ??? Pardon me, but Im very confused. I know from first hand experience that the only “drugs” that a sound Appaloosa ever requires are their regular vaccinations, West Nile boosters, and wormers. They are strong. They are healthy. They are sound, in mind, body, and spirit. It breaks my heart that the Club ignores the noble Appaloosa Horse, and continues to promote, to perpetuate, and to make regulatory excuses for, horses that are genetic deformities, and the product of irresponsible breeding practices. This is heart-breaking, and this is tragic. Why is it that the show ring cannot be populated with sound horses, that are perfectly capable of competing and knocking the socks off everyone in attendance, without being drugged ?????

  31. Bill Wicklund Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 9:44 pm

    I find it embarrassing and shocking that our BOD does not think that our horses can be shown in the showring without drugs. All my horses can! This new drug rule is a BAD rule that denigrates ALL our horses and the integrity of the breed. This rule needs to be rescinded and quickly. Aset and Lasix have no place in the Appaloosa showring! I am 100% against this new drug rule.
    Bill Wicklund

  32. Belinda Kern, owls Bend Appaloosas Said,

    September 1, 2007 @ 10:39 pm

    I truly am concerned about the allowance of drugs in the show ring and how this allowance effects the reputation of the ApHC as a registry.
    Fist and foremost I don’t think horses that are drugged should be allowed to show. It is not fair to breeders and owners of sound and healthy Appaloosas to be asked to compete in any event, against unhealthy or unsound Appaloosas that are drugged so they can perform.
    I also am concerned about what the allowance of drugs says to the public who may be interested in owning or breeding Appaloosas about the ApHC. In my eyes, allowing drugs into competition does not promote a positive image for our youth or the public about our club. This does nothing to help our reputation as a club, that is already seen disgruntlement amongst it’s members already.
    I ask you to take into consideration the Appaloosa and the reputation of the ApHC.
    Please help over rule the Drug Ruling.

    Sincerely a very concerned member and breeder,

    Belinda Kern

  33. Julie Kreider Said,

    September 2, 2007 @ 3:36 am

    Have we changed from a breed association to simply a show association?
    By compensating for breeding weaknesses and genetic defects by allowing more drugs so these horses can compete, we are not bettering our breed for future generations. If following AQHA guidelines is a justifiable reason for the drug change, then why hasn’t the ApHC disallowed H/H horses from show participation as AQHA has? Why is the HYPP status of Impressive bred horses not stamped on the pedigree like AQHA has done for years? Instead, let’s PROMOTE this genetic defect by making it easier to show these animals! The logic doesn’t add up. It seems to me that this new drug ruling does less for the promotion of better Appaloosas and more for the promotion of self interested trainers and breeders.

  34. Pat Gent Said,

    September 2, 2007 @ 7:29 am

    I’m extremely discouraged by the actions of the ApHC board of directors at this new drug ruling.

    Once again, it seems that the BOD has not taken a long term future look at preserving the appaloosa horse as a breed, but instead has chosen to cater to the short term interests of the minority show circuit crowd.

    The appaloosa has always been recognized as a tough competitor. The horse world admires them, finds them tough in open competition, and recognizes their hard as nails competitive drive. What does having our own breed registry make a long list of masking drugs tell the world about our horses now? That we have to prop them up to compete against each other.

    Our numbers are dwindling, not because we don’t have great horses but because we keep making stupid management decisions regarding them.

    Please, please, please, please, PLEASE reconsider this rule change. Look at the long term affects it will have on our breed, our breed’s image, and our own ethical integrity as horse owners and breeders.

    Pat Gent
    Gentlewood Farms Appaloosa Sporthorses

  35. Michael Snow Said,

    September 2, 2007 @ 8:43 am

    I thought I would sit and put in my 2 cents on this topic.I am new to being around Appaloosas,I have been arouind horses all my life.I have been with the Aqha and the Apha and have seen many changes in them and all the back stabbing.
    I have kept an eye on the Aphc and really liked what i saw,and there is something special about this wonderful breed.When I herd about the new Drugs being allowed into the show ring,I was brought up thinking the when showing your horse it was for its natural skill and abilaties,well I guess I was wrong and about other things as well such as the aphc.
    I myself am not going to give up on the appaloosas but seems politics still goes every where even with the appaloosas.I know about these drugs that was passed to be used in the show ring and just can’tfigure why!
    I called up a few Equine Vet freinds of mine (3)to get there point of veiw on this matter,All of them could not beleive what yall have done passing and allowing them, and felt very strongly the the show ring was not a place for this use.I even had one of them suggest that there was a possiblity of the drug maker paying them,it makes you wonder!
    I am just a small breeder and owner of these wonderful horses and still will for the rest of my life and will put out some of the best bred horses,either it be for showing or just good ol trail riding and they are Drug Free.
    If you was to turn the tables and say the Aphc was part of the NFL or NBA would these drugs be allowed to be used in the players! DON’T THINK SO,they are very strick about Durg use so what is the difference.
    I fill that showing should be on an equal playing field and you can’t have that if the horse(s)are on drugs,so now we can have the best of the best in showing on drugs.What kinda picture will that show people thinking about the aphc.
    Well I also hear well the aqha and jocky club is doing it ,so to me that is some real locical thinking ,what if they all wanted to jump off a cliff I quess we will follow,well not me.
    The bottom like is I think you need to reconsider what yall have done and the big impact that it is going to couse, to the aphc,It will be bigger than you realize.We need to look to Ideas to bring up the membership not brake it down!

    Michael S.
    Spirithorse Farms

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  36. Jan Dockery Said,

    September 2, 2007 @ 9:12 am

    This blog page is corrupted: When I posted my real blog comment last night, the program left my personal email address SHOWING in the address field (where it says “required, never displayed”) . So I tried to go in and delete my address ~ I typed in a bogus email address (“never@displayed.com” and then typed the words “no further comment”). When I hit the Submit button again, it wiped out my ORIGINL COMMENT on the drug ruling. This morning that email address is still showing … but my original comment on the drug ruling is still missing. Several other people are not seeing their blog comments being posted either. So it makes us wonder what is going on ?????

  37. JAMIE CARGO Said,

    September 2, 2007 @ 12:17 pm

    WOW and I thought ApHC followed their own sets of rules. Why would any drug use be good for a breed? Why give two thumbs up for breeding a HYPP N/H or HYPP H/H horse? Hopefully the “real” people of ApHC will step out and make this a thing of the past. For now all I can do is roll my eyes and wonder why ApHC would jump off the same cliff as other breeds and vote aginst this rediculous rule, hopefully this will be a thing of the past.

  38. Tom Bair Said,

    September 2, 2007 @ 12:49 pm

    How is that we have come to a point where using drugs in the show ring to allow a few to show horses that should have never been bred, horses with painful, ultimately deadly genetic defects, is called “humane”?
    This is not just about HYPP. Although how anyone who has ever seen an afflicted horse in the throes of an attack could breed for that condition and sleep at night is beyond me.
    HERDA, navicular syndrome, bleeders, etc, all coming from other breeds, used to ‘improve’ the appaloosa. Now we seem to be stuck with all these problems and where is the leadership?
    The right direction for our association is away from the organisations that need and allow these drugs, not to embrace them. Diluting the blood of our horses has put us in this hole, more digging will not get us out.
    I can only hope that the BOD can put personal gain aside long enough to do something in the interest of the horse and recind this ruling. Then finish the job and stop the breeding of the kind of horses that require those medications just to survive.

  39. Kaye Phelps Said,

    September 2, 2007 @ 2:13 pm

    If I were ill enough to require drugs, I would not expect to go to work.

    Please rescind this rule.

  40. Gig LeBret Medicine Wheel Ranch Said,

    September 2, 2007 @ 3:47 pm

    I have been a DARE officer for 20 years and have 8 ways to say NO to drugs.
    (1) Say no thanks
    (2) Giving a reason or excuse
    (3) Repeated refusal, or keep saying no (broken record)
    (4) WALKING AWAY
    (5) Changing the subject
    (6) Avoiding the situation
    (7) Cold shoulder
    (8) STRENGTH IN NUMBERS

    I am not a big breeder by any means, but the horses I produce are some of the most deeply bred Old Appaloosa to be found. Everyone that I have talked with about giving any horse drugs to compete thought I was joking. Drugs used under a Vet care to help an injury or illness I understand, but to use drugs to compete is criminal.

    Gig LeBret
    Medicine Wheel Ranch

  41. Naoma Skldowski Said,

    September 2, 2007 @ 4:50 pm

    If it isn’t sound, don’t ride it. If it isn’t healthy, don’t breed it. If it needs drugs to perform, shoot it. What’s WRONG with you people at ApHC? You want your winning horses, the best of the breed, represented by drugged horses? We teach our kids to “JUST SAY NO” but we send them into the show ring on horses that are on drugs? Shame on you all.

    Naoma Skldowski, owner and breeder of Sarke’s Ba Humbug

  42. Kate Woempner Said,

    September 3, 2007 @ 9:17 am

    I have been an appaloosa fan since I was a small child. When I look at the horses that are going to the shows, I BELIEVE them to be the best of the best, not drugged to help them show. If we are allowing horses to be shown that must be drugged to help them, then we, the promoters of the appaloosa breed, are saying that these are the horses we want to be in the eye of the public as our champions? I don’t understand that. If a horse is going to be a champion, shouldn’t he/she be doing it on their own 4 feet? I do not show yet, but when I do, I would like to know that I am competing against horses that are 100% sound and healthy as I expect my own horses to be. For those who are for this, would you want your own kids to go out and do steroids to be able to compete in sports? IT IS THE SAME THING!

  43. James Kelley Said,

    September 3, 2007 @ 3:42 pm

    did they consult a veterinarian on the AAEP member list, since they publicized their newly formed relationship with them recently??,,,I wondered why we joined forces with them, as they seem to be against a whole lot of things that goes on the the ApHC………or did they just consult a local, member vet?

  44. Trista Pearce Said,

    September 3, 2007 @ 5:47 pm

    I like the penalty stipulations and the HYPP tracking, but I’m totally saddened by the addition of Lasix and Acet to the acceptable drug list. NO drugs are acceptable, but to add these two is just crazy. How can anyone justify breeding for a disease, let alone ruling to allow them to drug those genetic defects so they can show! Please separate the acceptable drugs from the rest of the rule and start over. Sick horses need to stay home… not be at shows representing our breed!

  45. Deirdre McCaskell Said,

    September 3, 2007 @ 5:52 pm

    The addition of Lasix and Acet is just WRONG. HYPP is just WRONG. Funny I don’t see any posts on this blog FOR this drug ruling. I guess the people supporting it don’t want to be identified. Makes you think huh?

    Deirdre McCaskell

  46. Lisa Garcia Said,

    September 3, 2007 @ 10:36 pm

    Ok drug abuse is wrong…But what about the old show horse that has been passed down to the kid just getting started in that first show, he is safe and a little arthritic and needs a little NSID (bute) to feel comfortable> Not allowed??? come on and look at the big picture. cheaters will always find a way around the rules and medication has its place in any situation. As far as acetizolimide how many of you have ever had an N/H horse???? It keeps them stable and reduces seizures
    are you saying that we should just euth all of them??? Untill they are all gone an N/H horse can be as normal as any other horse with the proper care and feeding. Are you going to deny a diabetic insulin?
    its not the horses fault that they are N/H we (as caretakers of domestic animals) have perpetuated this condition with popular horse syndrome so we need to care for these horses and make them useful while they are here. Unless ApHC refuses to register ANY N/H or H/H horse refusing to give them a sustaining medication allowing them to perform
    and have a purpose IS cruel, Stop breeding and registering them but dont punish the horse.
    I am not AFraid TO SAY IT…..

    LISA GARCIA
    SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

  47. Ken Kirkeby Said,

    September 4, 2007 @ 6:20 am

    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    As a part-time breeder I have spent years, exhausting work, and a substantial amount of money trying to bring back the type of Appaloosa Claude Thompson and his followers rescued from extintion. That type of Appaloosa was relatively easy to find competing, even in the eastern US, in the 1960’s when I was a small boy. With few exceptions, they are nearly impossible to find today.

    Even though I do not show, the Drug Amnesty Ruling undermines everything I and others like me struggle to accomplish each day.

    As if the breed hasn’t been compromised enough in the last 30 years. Do you plan to award the most creative use of drugs?

    This is a reprehensible example for the young riders in the ApHC and likewise for the entire horse community.

    I urge you to listen to the small breeders like me whose devotion is to the breed — the horses and their future owners, not show ribbons, and take whatever steps necessary to rescind the Drug Amnesty Ruling.

    Very truly yours,

    Ken Kirkeby
    True Appaloosas

  48. Penny Kowalski Said,

    September 4, 2007 @ 1:46 pm

    In Response to Lisa Garcia. I agree with the stipulation that we quit breeding HYPP horses. I also agree that we must care for the ones that already exist BUT we should not be showing them with OR without drugs. They do not represent the best example of the appaloosa breed. As far as the horse passed down to the kids, a little bute is fine once in a while but a lot of other things are better.. Bute can cause ulcers when used too much. Lots of good horses out there. Don’t need to use the retired ones so hard that they need NSAIDS all the time. They are no better for the horse then they are for their humans.
    Respectfully
    Penny Kowalski

  49. American Halter Horse Association - Page 2 - Horse Chat Said,

    September 4, 2007 @ 3:21 pm

    […] however that has been a HORRENDOUS outcry at this change and there is still the possiblity of getting it overturned if we can get enough of the BOD to call for a special emergency meeting. the BOD basically tired to pull a fast one on the members and now the members are fighting back. Oh and according to the BOD this new drug rule will being them more in line with the AQHA and APHA??? appaloosablogspot.com Blog Archives ApHC Drugs and Medications Rule Just one person out of the 47 that have so far posted on this blog is actually for the drug change. and that person must own and wants to show a HYPP Positive horse. Quote: […]

  50. Sara Keffer Said,

    September 5, 2007 @ 5:48 am

    Incredible, as if the horse don’t have enough to deal with already lets throw it into the show ring and give it some more stress. Seriously I understand that horses shouldn’t be judged on things that are of no fault of their own, but come on people?! It’s like saying to the basketball/football/volleyball/softball and other athletes that it’s okay to use drug to enhance your abilities…next they are going to allow racehorses to use drugs wow some fun that will be watching drugged up horses run around a circle until someone’s leg breaks and they have to be put down. Yeah I would have to say that who ever thought this rule up must have been taking ‘drugs’ of their own. It’s not safe for the horse, it’s not fair to the horse and it’s not giving the horse a choice. If the horse can’t ‘show’ without the drugs, then don’t show it with the drugs. You’re just asking for something to go wrong, painfully wrong. Like we tell our kids “just say NO!”

  51. Debbie Herzman Said,

    September 5, 2007 @ 6:08 am

    pretty sad when you have to resort to drugs to keep a horse in shape & sound enough to show & win – is this what it has come to???? what kind of standard is that for a breed? nad what does that say about hte hroses that are being produced? they look good, but they can’t hold up or perform unless you give them a littel something – is that what we want the Appaloosa known for? unable to compete unless they have something in them to make them sound, or let them behave a little better for their pleasure class…………. not me……………… i may lose a few classes because they come “unglued” at times in a new place, or they might not be quite as big as some or reliable as others, but i dont; have to rely on something other then the quality of the horse to win when we do…………………

  52. Sherry Fenley Said,

    September 5, 2007 @ 7:58 am

    The comments I am about to make are the hardest thing I have ever done. What this bod has done with this ruling is nothing new. This type of sneaky under handed passing of rules has been going on for a very long time. And the answer to a previous statement about our bod being able to pass whatever they like even if the membership overwhelmingly says no, is a YES!!!!! I have never had been able to reach a bod or had one return a call. I first became a member in 1973, Have had Appaloosa’s sine 1964. Their is nothing that will make me abandon this breed. That said I do my own thing. I have never shown, if I were to consider it, it would be open. I quit the club in 1983. Also stopped registering at that time. Yes I still raise my horses, but my morals just would not let me be a part of this club. I do not consider my self to be a Foundation breeder but have always bred Appaloosa to Appaloosa. As the drug ruling that was passed. Do you realize most of these drugs are human drugs? That the anti inflammatory are very hard on the stomache, can cause stomache bleeding and ulcers? We humans that have to use these drugs play a balancing act. They are very hard to use on the elderly human. So will this also be the case in the older show horse you are passing on to that child to show. Non of the bod has done research. To those of you who make the statement about the Best of the Breed being what is taken in to the ring. I applaud your statement. That is exactly what showing is about. Would you take a Hereford colored cow to a Black Angus show. Would youput a Black Irish Setter in the show ring? I think not. I have nothing against beautiful horses, but any animal in the show ring should exhibit all the charastics of its breed!!!! The comments that have been made on this blog are hard to follow. Everyone has said what they felt for whatever reasons so well. Everytime someone Bucks the system they are termed a fanatical. Where would this country be without our fanaticals? When I woke up this morning and prayed to God for my son’s safety in Iraq, I thought this still is a Democratic country. I have the right to say my peace as well as anybody else. If you have read Appaloosa Blog weather you participate in any event or show or not, please speak your thoughts. This rule needs to be recinded in it’s entire form, no part of it should be left!!!!! Oh by the way can we impeach bod’s like we do the President of the United States?

  53. Penny Whitehead Said,

    September 5, 2007 @ 8:08 am

    After reading the comments here supporting my own no drugs in competition position I would like to add one more comment.
    To condemn a whole segment of these horses, who neither chose to be born nor be afflicted with any disorder, I would myself condemn those who are setting up as judge and jury on those horses and their owners. Very few of the many I have come in contact with are guilty of purposely creating afflicted horses, to those that do, my thought is they should find another place to spend their money and leave this breed to be governed and enjoyed by those who are responsible.
    Also, the division being caused by what I view those who have taken facts and skewed them into something that isn’t proven by 100% accurate documents, just a lot of this supports part of this issue and that other supports the other side. I see those using this serious issue as a tool and it is being used against this breed and the members devoted to it. Had drugs not ever been allowed to be used on competing horses a more harmonious outcome would have occured. But they were and now it is up to all of us with the real dedication to make it work to find a solution for and that includes full declaration of facts, all facts, discussions by Board on this issue, full disclosure, not a bit here and a bit there and certainly not in meetings not announced nor open to membership.
    Neither insulting the intellegence of members, owners or the horses themselves seems like the path to success, and I do know most who have posted here do not see that as how they or their friends in this breed that is struggling with this and other issues live their lives by. To much sacrifice is connected with horse ownership but is gladly done to be a part of the horse world and especially the best part, Appaloosas.
    I would wish the respect would come back in dealing with bad situations, honestly admitting some past decissions were wrong and get to fixing them, for the betterment of our horses and all of us. And I don’t drug, don’t show at this time, don’t overbreed, do care for my animals responsibly and will not condemn those dealing with the problems connected with this controversial action seen as a solution. The real guilty actions were made by others, others in a different breed and others who were not truthful but we all are paying the price for it and being divided.
    With respect.

  54. Beth Minnich Said,

    September 5, 2007 @ 10:24 am

    I’m not an ApHC member, but someone posted a thread with this link to an Arabian forum I visit.

    For clarity – acetazolamide (as well as isoxsuprine, which it looks like the ApHC didn’t pull over from the AQHA rule) IS permitted under the Therapeutic Substance Provision of the USEF Drugs and Medications Rule. That’s the drug rule that almost all of the USEF member divisions compete under.

    In terms of using lasix – it is considered a forbidden substance under the USEF rules, and for those competing under the Therapeutic Substance Provision, there are certain requirements that need to be followed if the drug is used, including not administering the drug during the 24 hours prior to competing.

    FWIW – the NSAIDS in the ApHC rule (bute, banamine, diclofenac (Surpass), ketofen, arquel, and naproxen) are also allowed by USEF. USEF also shares a similar (if not the same) policy re: dexamethasone.

    In a quick look through, it seems like the major difference between the ApHC rule and the USEF rule is that ApHC has forbidden anabolic steroids, where the USEF hasn’t. And the ApHC has included, as permitted exceptions, furosemide (Lasix), and some provisions for the use of lidocaine/mepivicaine, which the USEF hasn’t.

    These comments aren’t meant to endorse or oppose any of the rules involved, just meant for clarification!

  55. James Kelley Said,

    September 5, 2007 @ 12:35 pm

    Take a good long look at the front cover of our very own breed journal this month, it says it all. Take a long look at the horse and its expression…………………..this is what we’re up against.

  56. Tami Radney DVM Said,

    September 5, 2007 @ 2:25 pm

    I think I’m a pretty typical show mom member. I also happen to be a veterinarian with almost 15 years experience with equine practice. FEI rules are extremely stringent- even then people invent ways to cheat. But out and out ALLOWING masking agents into our association is insane. You might as well hand out bottles or reserpine and fluphenazine as class prizes now.
    I grant there are beautiful moving horses with anxiety issues that can be “smoothed out” with drugs. It might take a lot more training time to get those horses to achieve their potential – time a 2 or 3 year old futurity horse can’t spare. There is tremendous pressure at the top levels of showing to produce a winning horse in the least amount of time. But that still doesn’t make it right.
    I disagree with the BOD’s actions. You’ve just given tacit approval to a deceitful practice.
    I also challenge the BOD’s to submit the written arguments from the named veterinarians they used to help them reach this decision as to why Dex, Lasix and Acetazolamide should be allowed.
    My kids may not always “win” in the ribbons, but I know they’re also not winning off the end of a needle.

  57. Yvette Brunet Bobb Said,

    September 5, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

    I am a small breeder, train my own Appaloosas, exhibit my own Appaloosas occasionally. If they need medications, they stay home. I, as an exhibitor, demand a level and fair playing field. This new drug rule does not give any exhibitor that. What it does do, in my opinion, is give the PEOPLE showing these drugged horses the opportunity to cheat! You can’t win against the horse that doesn’t have drugs in his system, so you “pump” yours up.

    Look at the Directors who voted this into being. Now look at how it was done. What does this tell you? It tells me the wrong people got elected to represent a great breed of horse.

    My Dad used to say, like the country/western song, you’ve got to stand for something, or you’ll fall for anything. I’m standing for NO DRUGS, PERIOD. Just so you all know, I am in south Mississippi.

    I have the feeling this Drug Rule was passed because of Jackson.
    I sincerely hope this is not the case. It is my understanding that someone’s horse could die because of this New Drug Rule in the humidity and heat, then running horse against horse multiple times. But this great Club’s members are no fools. We will know it was the drugs, should this happen.

    Others are right. What type of example are we setting for our children? Not a very good one.

    This needs to be reconsidered and rescinded before our wonderful horses are hurt even more. It’s odd though, people chose to do this to the horse. The horse had no say at all. Now the members MUST stand for the horse.

    Cordially,

    Yvette Brunet Bobb

  58. debbbie campbell Said,

    September 6, 2007 @ 12:15 am

    i dont agree to drugs being used on horses when showing , it is very unfear .

  59. Bridget Lavigne HDC Appaloosas Home of ApHC Stallion Clear Vision Said,

    September 7, 2007 @ 4:47 am

    I urge the BOD to revisit and rescind this drug ruling. As a show person and breeder, I do not support the use of these newly approved drugs in our show pen. Having said that, I also do not support the extreme tactics that some of our membership is choosing to use in getting this rule rescinded. As an open plea to our BOD, please listen to the voice of the membership. I believe it is overwhelmingly telling you we DO NOT want these drugs in our show horses! Please prove those members who say you are not listening wrong and revisit this issue ASAP! It seems readily apparent to me that the membership is telling you we agree with the disciplinary scale, we DO NOT want the addition of these latest medications on the allowable drugs list, we DO want HYPP status documented on ALL applicable registrations, we DO want to see some effort to curb the promotion of HYPP positive horses in our show pen as AQHA has done. For the love of the horse and this membership, please listen and proceed accordingly.

  60. Ann Said,

    September 7, 2007 @ 9:21 am

    I wanted to share that I e-mailed my ApHC rep, Larry Baker, and expressed my shock and dismay that the BOD directors and more pointedly that my rep would vote for such a thing. He responded that he was sorry I was dissappointed in his vote and would be happy to discuss it over the phone. I will take the opportunity to do just that. I hope everyone who is against this will do the same.

  61. Paige Brooks Said,

    September 9, 2007 @ 7:05 am

    Well i agree with everyone who disagrees. Recently i went to a appaloosa breed show and my horse came up lame when we got there. I went home as soon as i could. But you no what really burned me is that before i went out to my trailer, A guy asked me if i was ready to show and i said no because of my horse being lame. He replied to me saying that ” That’s what drugs are for”. It made me sick that you would put a horse in the show that couldnt show otherwise.

  62. Shelby Snorek Said,

    September 9, 2007 @ 2:47 pm

    I say no to drugging horses to show them. It is such an unfair playing field out there now with the political judging that we don’t need this allowed too. We all know positive horses have an unfair advantage over everyone else anyway, this would just chase even more of us out of the showring. It is not that hard to breed a negative horse that can win at halter and then go on to ride also. I say they should not be allowed to be shown. The judges are quick to check the teeth of a horse as soon as it enters the ring or check to see if they have both testicles but overlook way more serious things such as hypp and shaky knees or morbid obesity to the point they are near collapse. None of this is helping the breed at all. Everyone wants to know why attendance is down at the horse shows, well give us all a fair chance and we might be back but until then horse shows might become a thing of the past.

  63. PAUL PRUETT Said,

    September 9, 2007 @ 4:51 pm

    This is so typical of the Aphc. This issue should have been put to bed years ago with the elimination of all HYPP + horses from the breed. I really am becoming one of the cynics who predict the demise of the Aphc. I really dont think any campaign will change the minds of the BOD or sway them from their tactics. We got the hypp testing but then it wasnt posted on the papers. We got the HYPP drug eliminated but then it popped back up.
    I will email my representative.

    Paul Pruett
    West Plains Appaloosas
    West Plains MO

  64. RUTH SHAW Said,

    September 9, 2007 @ 5:51 pm

    I have been a Appaloosa owner and breeder for the last 42 years, I am also the mother of 7 childern and grandma to 5. It is beyond belief what is happening to our wonderful horses, I can not understand why anyone would show horses that require meds , or breed horses that have genetic disorders, The fact that the organization that is supposed to be protecting our horses is setting out to destroy them, and for what, the allmighty dollar. Do you on the board even know what a true Appaloosa is , one revered for by the people that have the best interest of the breed at heart, it is their soundness, longevity, super disposition, and beauty., my horses have done everything and never needed drugs. There are countless Appaloosa owners that do not belong to the club anymore, this has just added to it big time. This policy of making decisions based on a few, and not considering the future of our wonderful horses has to change, or you will be a club of a handful of owners with horses no one will want. NO horse should ever see the inside of a show ring if they need meds. THANKS TO ALL OF THE RESPONSIBLE APPALOOSA LOVERS WHO ARE SPEAKING OUT FOR THE HORSES. I have 23 APPALOOSAS at the moment, my 2007 foal crop is sold, not one was sold to a ApHC member.

  65. Tom Bair Said,

    September 12, 2007 @ 11:48 am

    In response to what Lisa Garcia said. No one has a problem with these poor misbegotten animals recieving any medication that will make their lives easier. After all, anyone who has the poor judgement to breed these unfortunate creatures should be required by law to keep them properly medicated for the entirety of their lives.
    What we all have a problem with is using drugs, any drug, to force these animals to perform at a level that is obviously beyond their capabilities.
    It’s not even like they are just temporarily disabled because of an injury, these gentic defects render them permanently handicaped.
    The new drug rule is tantamount to allowing parrot mouthed or cryptorcid horses to show. All are defects, if one is allowed then all should be allowed.

  66. Debera Shields Said,

    September 13, 2007 @ 2:49 pm

    ABSOLUTELY unbelievable! I can not tell you how this looks to an 8 year old girl to whom I have promoted “just say no” to drugs all her life. Now I am to tell her “it’s ok honey those horses can take drugs to alter their state of mind and physical capacity to compete . Besides it makes them winners.” I don’t think so.

    Do I really want to help her aspire with her new interest in showing and performance competition so that she can lose to a drug induced horse? No Thanks ApHC. It is not ok and my granddaughter deserves the right to fair competition. Obviously that is not an option in certain other breed clubs and now it is not an option with ApHC.

    I understand minor temporary issues using Bute but they should be backed up with a veterinarian release or otherwise and monitored for abuse at the shows. But you should not be promoting Appaloosas unable to compete overall without drugs….not today or tomorrow!

    As members of the BOD you not only have the PRIVILEAGE but the DUTY to maintain the trust of ApHC members and to PRESERVE our wonderful breed. It seems like ApHC BOD has thrown its ambitions to the winds without fear of natural consequences. I can only imagine the members you will lose on this issue if you do not immediately reconsider.

  67. Carla Peacock Said,

    September 16, 2007 @ 8:59 am

    I just want to open this comment by stating that I am an ACTIVE lifetime member of the ApHC that shows at many Regional and National events throughout the country and whose horses are quite successful in the competitions. I realize that as a show exhibitor, my membership in the ApHC is included in the roughly 23% of the total membership and that I am a contributor to the 85% of the revenue generated by this 23% of the membership population. I also realize that the money I spend at ApHC shows goes to fund most of the other activities enjoyed by many of the people posting comments on this blog. I do not feel I should step into their venues and try to regulate what they do to promote the Appaloosa.
    I have shown Appaloosas since 1978 and have done so without the use of a needle. My horses have passed every drug test that they have been subjected to, both after winning Nationals and Worlds and from being pulled for random tests at the major competitions and at Regional shows. I have seen the walk trot industry grow and give many horses a new lease on life; horses that cannot lope or lope well but are still great teachers and baby sitters now have a job. I have seen older, arthritic horses that have had to travel two to four days to get to the Nationals get out of their trailer stiff and sore (who isn’t stiff and sore after riding in their truck for that long?) yet we are saying that they are not allowed what equates to our dose of Advil or Tylenol because they need to show in 24 hours. Several years ago I had a horse kick the back door out of my trailer and jump out onto the highway. He survived but he was a mess…road rash covered most of the raised surface on his right side. He never took a lame step. The accident occurred ten days before the Nationals. He needed to be on antibiotics to prevent infection but because it takes roughly a week to metabolize out of his system, I had to take him off all meds. All of this because the ApHC has had to implement rules to address the 5% of the membership that feels obligated to cheat by using illegal drugs. And when we are speaking of these drugs and their use in the show environment, we are not talking about using them everyday at maximum dosage for months at a time. Bute is NOT going to provide enough pain relief to mask a major lameness issue where the ongoing safety and well being of the horse is at risk. And if you use more than the allowable limit on Lasix, it not only becomes a masking agent but it washes all of the drug they were trying to mask, out of the horse’s system.
    There were many horses bred to Impressive long before any of us were aware of why the first generation Impressives did not ride. He was bred to be a racehorse but due to that now famous genetic flaw, he became the poster child for halter horses. There was a comment on another site that stated there were only 180 HYPP horses in the entire ApHC, yet Impressive Andrew alone sired 356 foals. There are many Impressive bred horses out there that no longer carry the word Impressive in their names yet are close descendants. I don’t think anyone has a truly accurate idea of the number of Impressive bred horses in our industry. Because the ApHC has no way to track the Impressive horses, they tied the DNA registration into the HYPP meds. The owner will have to pay for the additional test, both to identify and to track the genetic flaw, in order to be able to declare the drug at a show. As a breed registry, we cannot just flip a switch and eliminate all of the HYPP horses. The halter horse breeders ARE selectively breeding to eliminate the gene, but it will not happen overnight. Many of the retired halter horses, even ones that are N/H, can live long and productive lives as walk trot horses or other riding horses as long as their symptoms can be controlled.
    The vast majority of the people that are speaking against the drug rule here (and elsewhere) admit that they do not show. Do the people that attend competitive trail rides travel three days (some will be four or more days next year if they decide to go to Jackson!) and expect their horse to go 50 or 100 miles over rough terrain within 24 hours of arriving at their destination? If a child has diabetes, should they be denied the drugs that control their medical condition? Should they be denied the freedom to show Appaloosas because the majority of the membership feels that no drugs should be allowed? What about people with epilepsy whose seizures are controlled by medication? Or an exhibitor with a heart defect or condition? Should these exhibitors be told that they cannot show because they are not capable of existing without medication? Should the parents be told they cannot have any more kids because one of their children has a hereditary condition? I have fairly frequent (and seasonal) nosebleeds. Should I be banned from showing because I might have to take medication to control these nosebleeds?
    None of the drugs in question in the rule implemented by the BoD are performance enhancing drugs. As a previous post indicated, the ApHC is following most of the same line as the USEF. The details of the rule need to be read and researched before the people that are not involved in the segment of the industry to which this rule pertains, fly off the hook and over react. We (the ApHC) are already the laughing stock of the AQHA and APHA over the move to Jackson, now we have to weather the abuse about a tasteless ad being run in multiple publications. We have to be micro managed because of the 5% of the population. We need to worry about more important issues like how to increase our registration and membership numbers and how to financially survive the move to Jackson.

  68. PAUL PRUETT Said,

    September 16, 2007 @ 5:35 pm

    In 2006 I attended the National Show in Oklahoma City with a member of the Appaloosa Hall of Fame. There were very few exhibitors and fewer friendly faces, I was surprised that there was no greeter or delegation to meet newcomers at the door and welcome them. i stopped a important looking fellow to ask directions to “other arena” and got a look from him as if he were too busy to deal with such trivial matters before he gave me some perfunctory directions, I found out later that he was a member of the BOD.
    Later that summer we attended the Oklahoma State Fair, to see the appaloosas perform. To my surprise the attendance was dismal. The Gypsy Vanner breed was more in attendance than the appaloosa.
    My friend related tales of when the show as filled with horses, 100s in each class that now had barely enough to take up 3 ribbons.
    Meanwhile Pat Parelli, Clinton Anderson, Dennis Reis, Ray Hunt and John Lyons host sellout performances and clinics teaching people about Natural Horsemanship.
    The Humane Society and Peta lack no amount of money or membership.
    Concern for our horses welfare and dignity should be the forefront of our activities. The audience for our horse shows will continue to dwindle
    as long as it is not so. Members of the BOD who think that they have nothing to lose by tricking the membership with unannounced meetings and other such shananigans should be removed at once. Trainers who believe in business as usual should look behind them. The natural horsemanship movement is coming up fast and tolerance for cruelty and artificial methods of training is ending fast. Our BOD’s tolerance for these methods is misguided at best and possibly suicidal for our club.
    I have no interest in attending another appaloosa hose club show.
    I have no interest in any club that mimics other clubs but rather would like to see the APhc become a forerunner in eliminating this kind of nonsense. I am sure there are members of other clubs and breed associations who hate what their breeds are doing. Maybe we will gain some of those good people. Just a thought…
    Paul Pruett

  69. Debbie Schaffer Said,

    September 17, 2007 @ 2:50 pm

    You know those of you who feel you are IT, aka the show people better know that we are NOT talking the bute and all and Carla you better read up on the lasix as it IS a enhancement to the horses who use it. It is well documented that the horses on it win more than horses not.
    I too show my horses in the app pen and while we may contribute to teh club Carla the show take a heck of alot out of it so your part is not the end all to say what the heck should happen to all the others. If people now own those horses that are gentic defects then it is up to them to take care of them but by Gosh STOP breeding them and if they cant handle it in the arena STAY THE HECK HOME.
    The BOD are fools for not listening to the people on this, did they think we would forever stand by and let you run these wonderful horses into the ground forever?? Intresting fact is that the ones who vote YES are up fro re-election this time, guess since they dont want to listen to us we wont listen to their re-election speel. Get people in who will listen. Most of the BOD are just giving lip service on the phone and are NOT wanting to really listen so guess we will just have to keep pecking at them til they do.
    And Carla the breed or the club is NOT just about the show peoele, I know that is hard for you to understand but it is really about the horses!!
    Debbie

  70. Carla Peacock Said,

    September 27, 2007 @ 5:43 pm

    Debbie, What a shame that you display the very attitude that turns the majority of the people against your cause. The name calling is rude and unnescessary and detracts from the purpose of your blog. I don’t use drugs on my horses and don’t plan on beginning now. If you truly did your research, you would find that almost all drugs when misused are detrimental to our horses (and ourselves). The use of Lasix at a competition is no different that the race horses; they don’t use maximum doses (or more) every day, just for the competiton. And the Apps won’t have a win/lose record on Lasix as it has not been allowed before now. I don’t claim to be the end all as you seem to think; just have a few more accurate numbers than have been posted. And I am not out trying to control anyone; I am just expressing my opinion as are you. And the people that show do more than just contribute to the ApHC…they are the major source of revenue. Just as you wouldn’t want someone that doesn’t know about your business or discipline telling you how to operate, the people that show don’t want people that are uneducated in their discipline or business to tell them how to operate. This is a free world and everyone is entitled to express their opinion.

  71. Jacqui Astorga Said,

    November 11, 2007 @ 1:38 pm

    I am so heartbroken to see this coming to pass. How do I, as a new member, find out about voting and getting my voice heard? I get plenty of mail from the association but what about a ballot so that I might be allowed to vote? A on top of that, how do we find out how our elected BOD’d voted? The use of drugs to be able to compete is terrible. Any horses that has a need for such drugs should not be able to compete it’s obviously not what exemplifies the breed. I for one will not participate in any showing that allows this practice. An even playing field please and lets keep it clean.

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    July 22, 2010 @ 12:49 am

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