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ApHC adjusts National & World Show fees

Faced with rising costs related to several aspects of hosting the Appaloosa National, Youth World, and Appaloosa World shows, the ApHC Board of Directors approved increases in entry and stall fees for both shows, effective in 2007. However, the board stipulated that 50 percent of the entry fee increases be distributed as additional payout money for eligible classes at those shows, and that non-monetary awards would be enhanced for youth and non-pro classes ineligible for cash payouts.

Specifically, Youth entry fees will increase from $45 to $50 per class. Non-Pro entry fees will increase from $55 per class to $60 (in equitation, novice, and showmanship) and all other Non-Pro class fees will increase from $85 to $95. Open class entry fees will also increase from $85 to $95. Stall fees will be adjusted from $175 to $195 for premium stalls; $150 to $165 for “regular” stalls, and from $60 to $65 for daily stalls.

While noting that World Show fees have not increased since 1998 and National Show fees were raised in 2001, the board acknowledged that members/exhibitors are dealing with the same challenges of escalating costs. Part of the Club’s ongoing responsibility is to produce high-level events worthy of members’ time and financial commitment. Board members noted that revenue projections for future shows are difficult to gauge, but the increases in entry and stall fees are considered necessary to provide some measure of stability to the overall show management budget.

18 Comments

  1. Susan Thibodeaux Said,

    January 24, 2007 @ 6:54 pm

    If you are going to raise the prices, could you start calling out all the judges’ placings in the trail classes? The top ten under each judge get recognized in the other classes, but in trail only the overall top ten get recognized.

    And I’d rather have the increase only go up half as much if you are just going to turn around and pay it out! Why does everyone think people only go to shows where they might win money? If that was true we’d all be barrel racers! I’d rather keep my costs down then the off chance I might win some back.

  2. Steve Said,

    January 27, 2007 @ 9:42 am

    The Show Committee and others are discussing the practice of lining up each judge’s placings at the National and World Show. We know there are pro’s and con’s, but one suggestion under consideration is going back to only announcing the final placings and going a bit deeper in the lineup – top 16 or so. The time it takes is one factor.

  3. Sandra Matthews Said,

    January 27, 2007 @ 5:31 pm

    We’ve been down this road before. Everyone enjoys seeing the placings under each judge plus it gives some sort of accountability to the judging. It gives exhibitors who may not end up in the top 10 at least some recognition. Last year, QH tried not announcing the placings under each judge and the membership was extremely unhappy about it. So my stance is to leave things the way they are.

  4. Tracy Meisenbach Said,

    January 28, 2007 @ 10:10 pm

    Steve,
    This issue has come up at the last several meetings and every time the members have a fit. People pay their entry fees in order to show and get public acknowledgment. The last time this was suggested the youth and non-pros went ballistic. I can’t blame them. Showing is expensive and people deserve the most bang for their buck they can get. Removing the line up also removes judge accountability. Since we don’t require scoring sheets we deserve the right to see a judge line up his places for public review. I suggest you email each regional club and ask them to put the question to their members. It’s a bad idea from most exhibitor’s perspective.

  5. Brian Amerine Said,

    January 28, 2007 @ 10:56 pm

    Please note that I have never heard one person state that they are in favor of doing away with the Judges line up. If you’ve paid all that money and spent al that time and still only place under one Judge it’s nice to come off the wall and get recognized. It’s well worth the time spent (again at a considerable cost to most) to see in person just how each judge pined the class. To do away with this may only please the lead catchers who need to run and grab another horse, but not the owners and spectators.

    To just provide the final placings will leave a bunch of folks wondering what happened in that class.

    Noting the final placing beyond the top might be a nice touch, but if the Judges line up continue will this take too much time?

    I do think it is a good idea to print up in the daily Network beyond the top ten. This might be included on the web results as well.

  6. Lenore Dickinson Said,

    January 29, 2007 @ 7:39 am

    I feel that NOT annoucing (and celebrating) those who earn a top 10 ranking is WRONG! People work extremely hard to get to the world or nationals and those placing in the top 10 have earned the right to hear their name called out at those prestigious shows. I, for one, would not want to see us “go deeper” in the placings and only announce Champion and Reserve Champion.

  7. Gayle Bieganowski Said,

    January 29, 2007 @ 8:11 am

    I disagree. One of the biggest complaints I hear from spectators is how do you know how eachhorse placed if they don’t line up at each judge? If we want to get more exhibitors, we need to provide what they want.

    From an exhibitor point of view, I want to know how I placed under each judge. What is the sense of going deeper into the final lineup if through 10th place is as far as the awards go?

    Respectfully Submitted,
    Gayle Bieganowski

  8. Barbara Wilkie Said,

    January 29, 2007 @ 9:41 am

    Speaking as a non pro,I think that the placings under EACH judge is very important!!!! It takes alot of time, $$$, and sweat for folks to get to those big shows. Sometimes the only affirmation they recieve is when thier name is called out and they get to line up under that judge. That is what the non pros work for. Why do you want to take that away from us? We don’t get money like the pros therefore our minute in the big ring is very, very important. So it takes a little time, that is what we are PAYING for.
    Even if we aren’t riding, but watching our horse in that class, it is very important to see what EACH judge thinks of that performance.
    Instead of taking recognition away, you should be looking for ways to make our time in the ring even more rewarding.

  9. Brandy Fraser Said,

    January 29, 2007 @ 12:27 pm

    Placing the top ten under each Judge is very important.
    A lot of competitors out in the ring don’t make it to the overall final top ten.
    It is very rewarding and thrilling to get called off the wall even if it is just for one judge. Don’t take this away from us.
    For many of us that is worth the price of going to the Worlds or Nationals. It is validation of all of your hard work. It makes you want to practice more and work harder so you can do better the next year.

  10. Karen Neal Said,

    January 29, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

    As a Newer owner non-pro exhibibtor, I think that an increase in fees is inevitable, but as I read throught here it sounds outrageuos to think that the Club would be considering to have only the overall results be anounced in each class at the National and World Shows. Last year was my second world show to be both an exhibitor and spectator. The THRILL of being 1st under at least one judge was unimaginable… I would never had known that someone had appreciated and thought so highly of my horse and recogninized all my hard work and dedication that I had invested into her. IS THAT NOT WHY WE ALL COME AND DO THIS??? I would much rather be 8th under one judge and stand out there once and know it, than to come in 16th overall and stand out there last one time. Again, I have to agree with Barbara Wilkie’s last post we should be encouraged to come and enjoy our show experiences and recognized in every fashion possible… Ultimately, that is why we all come.

  11. Jennifer Said,

    January 29, 2007 @ 1:12 pm

    Gotta go with the crowd and say I’d be pretty upset if we quit announcing the individual placings. A good youth friend of mine saved up to attend the youth world a couple of summers ago (no parental support). Her horse gave her fits all week and they didn’t make finals in their riding classes. She had a decent go in showmanship and placed 5th under one judge and 8th under another. She didn’t end up in the final placings, but getting called off the wall for those two judges made her week. She was thrilled to the point of tears. Were it not for the individual line ups, she’d have left that week feeling defeated and discouraged. Those two little placings motivated her to work harder and keep showing.
    We all spend a lot of money showing, that could easily be spent at open shows, or on other hobbies. For some of us, those individual placings are the only recognition we get, but that tiny bit of recognition may just be what keeps us “little guys” coming back year after year.

  12. Karen Neal Said,

    January 29, 2007 @ 1:35 pm

    Again I am posting some thoughts on what might help out our shows… I have thought long and hard about what I enjoy about the experience of the National and World Shows. I did have the opportunity to spectate at many of the classes that I did not enter and enjoyed every minute of it. I did notice though during the halter classes if an exhibitor was in a class back to back they had to walk through the ring across to the entry gate? Can we not provide a golf cart/ shuttle ride for our exhibitors? It really seemed tacky from above that we did not care about our exhibitors enough.. Here are hard working exhibitors both Non- Pro and Open showing multiple horses and spending lots of money can we not recognize their efforts and help them out? It would alos be a great oppurtun ity to have a sponsor for each day of the cart and display their info on the cart, Don’t you think?? In ring, animated, real exposure!!!
    Also, I don’t quite understand why the Toys for Tots Freestyle Reining class is left until the last day of the show…. That was the most impressive, rewarding exhibition of beautiful horses and great horse people able to think outside the box that I have ever witness, but when looking into the stands there was not so many in attendance for they all seemed to have left the show already or were packing for their long trip back home. As I see it, it may be a behind the scenes try to keep everybody at the show until the end but, most exhibitors have to prioritize.. They are tired and do have a long journey ahead of them, so I can obviously see they miss out. Moving the class to another day sure would bring up morale and give everybody another reason to come back next year… Again, from my short time involved I see it that we want to support the club and foster growth and encourage new members.. We need to look at how things have changed and change with them instead of fighting against them. That is ultimately how any business is sucessful.

  13. Heather McLevin Said,

    January 29, 2007 @ 3:55 pm

    I am absolutely fine with doing away with the lining up under each judge in certain classes. To any spectator that doesn’t have some sort of vested interest in the horses, exhibitor or owner it is “BORING” & doesn’t add to the experience.
    I’m a Non Pro, & an owner, my classes are scored. So we don’t “get” to line up under each judge. We spend the same time, $$$$ & sweat to get to those big shows. We aren’t afforded to same recognition or judge’s accountablitiy as the judged classes. Why the disparity? How come it’s okay for us but not the pleasure or halter horses(HIH)? Absolutely the ApHC should be looking for ways to make our time in the ring more rewarding but there is more than one way to skin a cat. All kinds of time & money could be saved cutting out this practice. Put the “SHOW” back in the horse show!!! Make a bigger deal out of the top 10 (don’t need 16) & especially the Champions & Reserves. Take the money saved & promote the winners, the shows, the breed. Give the gound crews more time to prepare the ground between classes, so we can “show” our horses.
    Anyone that thinks they are hard done by not lining up under each judge, should stroll over & watch the cutting. (No, I don’t have a cutter). If you can figure out who even won the World Championship, your doing well. It’s a real shame. We can do better for everyone, not just a few.

  14. Vickie Smith Said,

    January 29, 2007 @ 6:58 pm

    Hmmm… You’re going to raise fees, take away recognition and then wonder why no one goes to shows? As a person who’s horse competed in 10 classes at Worlds’, I’m starting to re-think show plans for this coming season.

  15. Lois Ploegstra Said,

    January 30, 2007 @ 2:56 am

    For all the many spectators that come to the shows, those that do all the hard work. The families of the exhibitor, the people that come from all over to support their particular entrant. The line up under the judges is what its all about. Taking this away from us that come for hundreds of miles to see our favorite and to support the show would be taking away a huge part of why we are there. Maybe the horse and the horse owner we are supporting only makes it under one or 2 judges. But we will try again the next time because we got a notice and our families and friends can see us and give us a holler.
    I for one would not travel from the state of Florida to Ft. Worth if a good part of why I am there is taken away.

  16. Shelby Biddlecombe Said,

    January 31, 2007 @ 7:41 am

    Steve,
    I too think that lining up under each judge is very important. In ALL classes, including Trail. It does make the judges accountable for their placings, besides, if they are worth their salt, the judges themselves should be proud to have their card lined up in front of them. This is their World Show too. And for some of us, that is why we spend the major $$ it takes to get there. We might only hear our number called under one or two judges, but that is why we are there. That is our moment in the sun that we have shown all year for. We paid for it, in money, blood, sweat and tears. We earned it and we deserve it. We already have accountability issues in not posting score sheets for working classes such as Trail, reining and working cow horse. Many other breed associations copy and post the score sheets for these classes at their World shows so that exhibitors can see how the scores were arrived at. I strongly urge the powers that be at the ApHC to implement this practice.
    Remember, if you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing.
    And keep the lineups. We deserve and have paid for the recognition.

    Respectfully submitted,
    Shelby Biddlecombe

  17. Doyla Salyers Said,

    January 31, 2007 @ 12:31 pm

    Here we go again. It seems like every other year we start this discussion over again. I am very much against taking away the top ten line ups out of the National and World Shows. As a matter of fact there are some classes that for some reason do not show the top ten placings under each judge and I think those should be added. Of course I realize that classes like games would all place the same and do not require line ups. We all pay out a LOT of money to go to these big shows and should be able to expect this chance for recognition..

  18. Jan P Said,

    February 1, 2007 @ 8:49 am

    As a competitor AND spectator, I vote to keep the lineup under each judge especially at Nationals and Worlds. We still love it even at the Regional level. It stresses accountability, and gives people recognition for their efforts and placings. Why go through the expense and effort if you don’t get recognized for it?? So, once again – please do NOT eliminate the individual placings under each judge!!! Thank you

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